Re: Looks like they didn't listen to you, Doug



"Eman" <supreme.evolutionary@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message news:5afcb85b-14e8-4fc9-b6a2-3928a237a3c7@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
On Aug 7, 3:24 pm, "Tom" <no...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
"Eman" <supreme.evolution...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message

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> On Aug 7, 11:13 am, "Tom" <no...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> "The alMIGHTY N" <natle...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in
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>> > On Aug 7, 12:02 am, Tom <jimver...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> >> On Aug 6, 9:24 pm, The alMIGHTY N <natle...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

>> >> > The Xbox Live Games on Demand price range was revealed to be >> >> > $19.99-
>> >> > $29.99. The assumption is that customers will pay what they would
>> >> > pay
>> >> > to purchase the disc at retail.

>> >> They assumed totally wrong if that is the case. Hell, I can get the
>> >> hard copy cheaper in many cases than what they want to charge for >> >> me
>> >> to take the time to download. Screw that!

>> > What I meant was that the assumption by the public right now is that
>> > Microsoft is going to charge what they do at retail... but you make >> > a
>> > good point.

>> I should have elaborated, since Eman, and even you stated that there >> are
>> some who who pay for the convenience over having to store and go out >> to
>> purchase the copies, which are good points. I was thinking more along >> the
>> lines of Ebay or Amazon, where I just purchase online and wait for it >> to
>> arrive. No travel time there and definitely cheaper. Plus I have the >> hard
>> copy, which I personally think is better to have since I can install >> the
>> the
>> game to the HDD anyway without having to worry about downloading it, >> then
>> probably deleting it when I need space.. - Hide quoted text -

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> So you're talking about used games?

Yes, or even new games that are at great prices and certainly better than
what MS will charge. There's nothing wrong with used games.



> Installing games to HD is pretty much useless. They need to find a
> way to make it work without needing the disc on every play. I would
> even go for needing the original disc for verification on every 10th
> play or randomly.

How is it useless? Installing the games makes them perform much better;
faster load times and textures fade in faster in some cases. It's no
different than a download, which also runs from the HDD. It's no hassle to
have to have the disk to verify the game, it doesn't play from it after
that's done and it's not noticeable while verifying. If you didn't need the
disk, hell, people could just lend their friends the game, they then they
install it to their HDD and play it without verification. You then would
never have gaming consoles, because profits may not be made (one of the big
reasons for DRM) on game sales. Another thing and inn a sense, a download is
stricter as you can only play it from your machine (DRM again), you can't
share it, but I can share my game disk with a friend if they want to play it
after I am done with it.



> Have they revealed any details about the terms of the downloads? In
> other words can you download it as many times as you want to one
> machine? I would assume it would be like most download services where
> you can download the games as many times as you want. So if you need
> to delete it to make space you can download it later. If you really
> really miss it.

I honestly don't know about the games having infinite downloads, if you
delete them over and over again. But, I would assume so, since DLC can be
downloaded as many times as you want, just as long as your gamertag checksum
matches what you paid for.



> Any word on a new line of HDs? You can buy a PC 1TB HD for under
> $100, surely MS can sell a 500GB for that price.

Why would you need a drive that big anyway? I mean, if you have a PC, you
already would be storing all of your files there anyway and the 360 can be
tied into your PC. Other than games, and possibly images and music, how much
storage space does one really need, and would they use all of that drive
space, especially for what is primarily a gaming device?

If you did load many games (we're talking a lot), pictures and music on a
drive that big, you would see a serious performance hit when the pagefile
gets too big and the physical memory begins to bog down. AFAIK, there's no
defragmenter on the 360, as all of those files being used would fragment
over time. Also, besides having to write to a pagefile, having all of those
files stored acrossed a drive that large would cause some serious seek times
for the read head, since the page file always resides on the front end of
the drive while you may be playing a game residing on the far end of it. On
a solid state drive, that wouldn't be an issue, but those puppies cost
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Seems like if they are going to offer a new line of downloadable
games, they would offer something above the current HD offerings to
support it. The 120 GB HD is about three years old isn't?

What does age have to do with the HDD. 120gigs is more than enough for the majority of gamers. The HDD for the 360 didn't advanced any since its release, just disk size has.


Saying that installing games to HD is useless was a bit too strong.
There are some performance improvements on some games, not all and the
lack of HD on some units will deter developers from optimizing
routines for all games. I'm just spoiled by PC games that are
installed to HD and can use online authentication to verify
ownership. Slower load times and the occasional shutter doesn't
bother me, constantly swapping discs between games, just irks me,
because I've done it for the last 30 years in one form or another.

Again, refer to my previous post regarding PCs and the 360, you're comparing apples and oranges as a PC is going to act and play differently on the net anyway. Your PC games has a product keys (or the like) and once it is installed to the PC's HDD, you then don't need it anymore (I am unsure if all PC games work that way). The 360 allows portability between consoles for game and it is was even touted as such with the detachable HDD. How would you verify the authenticity in that situation without the disk since it is portable?

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