Re: Sony DRM: Download twice, that's it. No more.

The alMIGHTY N wrote:
On Sep 29, 2:28 pm, NiGHTS <nightsintodreamsYOHOL...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
The alMIGHTY N wrote:
On Sep 25, 1:13 pm, NiGHTS <nightsintodreamsYOHOL...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
The alMIGHTY N wrote:
On Sep 24, 7:56 pm, NiGHTS <nightsintodreamsYOHOL...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
Doug Jacobs wrote:
NiGHTS <nightsintodreamsYOHOL...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Or they could just learn to take care of their data, it's not fucking
difficult or anything. People complaining about the inability to
transfer to other storage may have a point, but the number of downloads?
That's akin to saying "I bought a dvd from a store, then lost it, and
the store refused to give me another one. Sons of bitches!".
From what I've read, you can't even make a backup copy of the movie, so
if^H^Hwhen your hard drive dies, there goes your movies.
Again, at least iTunes has an easy way to handle this sitution. Sony does
not.
Even if you could show me a hard drive that would last forever, are you
seriously telling me that I need to keep my PS3 around just so I can watch
that movie?
Yeah, that's the ticket.
My dvd player can't handle vhs tapes either.
What does that have to do with anything? What about when Sony releases
the PS4... are they just going to tell all the consumers it's just too
bad they can't watch any of their content?
I was being sarcastic. The poster I was responding to was crying about
the possibility that he may have to keep a PS3 around to play media
stored on it. Should he really be complaining that a PS4 may not play
content he purchased on his PS3 way back when?
Video/music content, certainly. Games, not unless there's backwards
compatibility.
Okay, well tell me now how what Sony has done is any worse than
Microsoft's effort. Does anyone really think that our stupid proprietary
hard drives will be compatible with the next-gen Xbox? Do we even want
them to be?

Again, you're comparing apples and oranges. That's a hardware issue.
If you buy a new Ipod, you're not going to transfer your hard disk
from your old one to your new one.

As much as consoles are getting to be like PCs, there's no reasonable
expectation that you can take an internal component (as in, not an
accessory) from the old version and pop it onto the new one.


Right, so you're saying these files probably won't work on the next Playstation, and acknowledging files downloaded from XBLM probably won't work on the next Xbox, yet somehow Sony's service is worse? Even on these grounds?


Should I complain that
nothing plays laserdiscs anymore, or even HD-DVDs in a few years time?
That's apples and oranges. In these cases, you're talking about a
difference in media. Right now, we're just talking data and there's no
reason to think that if you have Sony-encoded data that you wouldn't
be able to play it on a more advanced Sony device.
But we weren't going to get DRM-free video anytime soon anyway. And just
what is the more advanced Sony device you had in mind? How can they
announce compatibility with something that doesn't exist yet?

I'm talking about a hypothetical next-generation device, referring
back to the talk about whether one should expect downloadable non-game
content for the Playstation 3 to work on a Playstation 4.

I understand the studios' "need" for DRM but I don't condone Sony's
positioning of a download as a "purchase" versus a "rental" (both
classifications that the Playstation Store uses) when such stringent
restrictions are placed on them.

If you upgrade from Windows XP to Windows Vista, you would assume you
could read all the files you had on your PC before the upgrade, yes?
Well I assumed a lot of my games would work and they didn't.

Games are very different beasts than songs and videos. Even the
everyman knows there's a big difference between music/movies and a
video game.


Okay, well if it's a better example I thought my new Vista pc would do a better job of playing quicktime files, but woah, it didn't. At first. Meh.

And that's assuming Sony don't make revisions to the service, which they
almost certainly will.
As it stands this is just another way of distributing data, and of
course it has its limitations already. Anyone who expected Sony to
revolutionise the home video industry only has themselves to blame.
It's not a matter of revolutionizing anything. It's a matter of just
being honest with the consumer upfront.
Honest about what? T&C are on the site. Crying about the definition of
"purchase" and "rental" when it really sits somewhere awkwardly
inbetween... well, it's not exactly lawsuit material is it?

Who said anything about a lawsuit? Are you trying to claim that an
action is only wrong if you can sue someone over it?


No, I was alluding to when Jonah starting whining about unlocking the GH2 tracks last year which earned him the ridicule of several sites. It smacks of some idiot complaining it's "false advertising" all over.

Terms and conditions... well, do people really go and read every line
of fine print when they buy a car or rent an apartment or anything
like that? And I'm not talking about hiring a lawyer to do that for
them.


Just because the average person is too lazy to check doesn't mean they're not there.

Would it not be dishonest of a car salesman to advertise a car as
brand new, tell you to your face it's brand new, and then put in the
fine print that it's actually not brand new but a 2-year-old car from
Avis all gussied up and purdy?

Different situation, Sony aren't actually advertising that you can download files as many time as you want or transfer it to an infinite number of devices now are they?


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