Re: The Case For Canon As Text Only - Rowling Lies

Sirius Black laid this down on his screen :
On Fri, 05 Aug 2011 11:15:39 -0400, Chan Welbourne wrote:

Sirius Black formulated on Friday :
On Fri, 05 Aug 2011 11:05:58 -0400, Chan Welbourne wrote:
on 8/5/2011, Wilford Dumont supposed :
On Fri, 5 Aug 2011 11:00:36 -0400, Sirius Black wrote:
On Fri, 5 Aug 2011 10:58:05 -0400, Wilford Dumont wrote:

On Fri, 05 Aug 2011 10:56:52 -0400, Chan Welbourne wrote:

After serious thinking John M. wrote :
On Fri, 05 Aug 2011 10:51:12 -0400, Chan Welbourne wrote:
Wilford Dumont submitted this idea :
On Fri, 05 Aug 2011 09:54:11 -0400, Chan Welbourne wrote:
Wilford Dumont has brought this to us :
On Thu, 28 Jul 2011 15:51:12 -0400, Chan Welbourne wrote:
Wilford Dumont presented the following explanation :
On Wed, 27 Jul 2011 16:31:01 -0400, Sirius Black wrote:
<http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/19959323/ns/today-wild_about_harry/t/finished-potter-rowling-tells-what-happens-next/>
2007 link.

Good for making this point. When too much of the back story (and, more disconcertingly, the future story) gets revealed - especially in an age in which an author is not simply sending letters to readers as Tolkien did, but making utterances that will be disseminated and analyzed by a global network of Web sites -- it seems to have not so much a gratifying effect as a deadening one. It is irritating. Rowling's loquaciousness (thanks HJG) and
fortune-telling. If she wants to tell us what happens, write it in a book, because until she does, then as far as I'm concerned, she's just describing what's showing on the teeny TV screen inside her head. It's time she shut up. Welcome to PotterLess.

Ah, yes, a text only canonist speaks. ^^

Don't pay attention to her when she "yabbers on" about the futures of HP and Crew. B-)
A dog vomits and self-restraint keeps you from looking? Not happening. JKR is ever prescient, I'm hoping that Pottermore will give her a place to hole up.

Wil, I thought a lot about your post and find myself falling to your side of this argument. I hope someone, somewhere who has influence in J.K. Rowling¡¦s life will tell her to stop talking and start writing. It¡¦s obvious that she has a whole lot more investment in Harry Potter and is not able or willing to let it go. Then she shouldn¡¦t ¡V she should sit down and keep writing. :-@
You can't trust JKR's extra-text blitherings. She's a confirmed liar and imo a supraegoist, the latter bought by money and driven by her innate insecurities.

On July 10, 2000 in the Newsweek interview, JKR said regarding LOTR:

“I read that when I was about 14.”

In a 2000 interview on Scholastic.com, Rowling said she had read LOTR at age 19 (http://www.accio-quote.org/articles/2000/1000-scholastic-chat.htm)

So JKR herself confirmed in two interviews that she read LOTR while at university and apparently read the story from beginning to end. There is no way to verify the assertions of JKR’s ex-husband and ex-mother-in-law, but in the March 2001 BBC interview, JKR – without prompting from the reporter – wanted to make it clear that she never read LOTR more than once. Then, inexplicably, in the 2005 Time interview with Grossman, she seems to have claimed that she never ever finished LOTR. >:|

Let's talk Narnia:

JKR’s references to CS Lewis and Narnia changed abruptly from what she said between 1997-2001 to what she said in 2005. In her earliest
interviews, she strongly gives the impression that she deeply loves
the Narnia books, having joyously read them as a child (even many
times) and then again as an adult. Then suddenly in her 2005
interviews, she backed away from them, claimed not to have read all
of them, and as John pointed out, particularly criticized the content
of the final book while simultaneously claiming never to have read
it.

1997: “Rowling read and loved [Kes] as a child, but she also revelled
in [Narnia] and [Ballet Shoes] and Paul Gallico. Yet she says that
fantasy doesn’t greatly appeal to her.” Electronic Telegraph, 2
August 1997
http://www.accio-quote.org/articles/1997/0897-telegraph-dunn.html 1998: “[Rowling] loved C. S. Lewis and E. Nesbit, but was not such a
fan of Roald Dahl. As for the Enid Blyton books, Rowling says she
read them all, but was never tempted to go back to them, whereas she
would read and re-read Lewis. “Even now, if I was in a room with one
of the Narnia books I would pick it up like a shot and re-read it.””
Electronic Telegraph, 25 July 1998
http://www.accio-quote.org/articles/1998/0798-telegraph-bertodano.html 1998: “Fantasy is not my favourite genre. Although I love C. S. Lewis, I have a problem with his imitators.” At 33, Rowling still re-reads The Chronicles of Narnia, famous for The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe (she likes The Voyage of the Dawn Treader best) along with other childhood favourites, E. Nesbit, Paul Gallico and Noel
Streatfield. The Australian, 7 November 1998
http://www.accio-quote.org/articles/1998/1198-australian-blakeney.html 2001: Q. Did you read the Narnia books when you were a child? A. Yes I did and I liked them though all the Christian symbolism utterly
escaped me it was only when I re-read them later in life that it
struck me forcibly. Comic Relief, March 2001
http://www.accio-quote.org/articles/2001/0301-comicrelief-staff.htm 2001: “I found myself thinking about the wardrobe route to Narnia [in
the CS Lewis series including The Lion, The Witch And The Wardrobe]
when Harry is told he has to hurl himself at a barrier in Kings Cross
Station – it dissolves and he’s on platform Nine and Three-Quarters,
and there’s the train for Hogwarts. Narnia is literally a different world, whereas in the Harry books you
go into a world within a world that you can see if you happen to
belong. A lot of the humour comes from collisions between the magic
and the everyday worlds. Generally there isn’t much humour in the
Narnia books, although I adored them when I was a child. I got so
caught up I didn’t think CS Lewis was especially preachy. Reading
them now I find that his subliminal message isn’t very subliminal at
all.” Sydney Morning Herald, October 28, 2001
http://www.accio-quote.org/articles/2001/1001-sydney-renton.htm 2005: “I actually didn’t read a lot of fantasy, funnily enough, and
although I did read the Narnia books but I never finished the series,
I never read the final book and I still haven’t read it.” ITV, 16
July 2005
http://www.accio-quote.org/articles/2005/0705-edinburgh-ITVcubreporters.htm 2005: “Rowling has never finished The Lord of the Rings. She hasn’t
even read all of C.S. Lewis’ Narnia novels, which her books get
compared to a lot. There’s something about Lewis’ sentimentality
about children that gets on her nerves. “There comes a point where
Susan, who was the older girl, is lost to Narnia because she becomes
interested in lipstick. She’s become irreligious basically because
she found sex,” Rowling says. “I have a big problem with that.” Time
Magazine, 17 July, 2005
http://www.accio-quote.org/articles/2005/0705-time-grossman.htm

Lev Grossman was onboard with this sentiment when he wrote the Time article in 2005. It’s absurd to hear her, after years of claiming to have read and reread the Narnia stories both as a child and adult, state that she never read the final book. Maybe she became self-conscious about effusively praising the Narnia books for so many years, so she felt she needed to redeem herself among politically-correct writers and critics by “realizing” that she hadn’t read that awful last book after all. And if she truly hadn’t read the last book despite all those rereads over the years, I’d have more respect for her if she had taken the time to read the last book, considered carefully what Lewis was saying, instead of blathering on as if Warner Brothers was poking her in the ribs telling her what to say. 8-o

Thank you for this argument that is as close to a demonstration as we
will get that “text first” with some knowledge of English literature
and the context in which the author works is a more dependable, surer
point of reference than the author’s extra-textual spin.

For whatever reasons, authors in general are liars and Rowling as one
member of that tribe simply should not be considered the sure source
for learning either what they meant in their writing or what
influenced their work.

IOW, she/they need to STFU.

Let their books tell those with ears to hear what the texts will.

I currently expect very little from JKR’s commentary on the story. Pre-DH, it was understandable that she’d hedge and hold back, but post-DH is another matter. To my knowledge, she hasn’t given an interview in the to anyone who has explored the books deeply and intelligently (I hope to find out I’m wrong).

If she’s only granting access to the Anelli’s and Emerson’s of HP fandom, whose devotion to JKR and the story border on idolatry, then I have no hope at all because she’ll only be asked easy questions and there won’t be any intellectually rigorous follow-up.

Usenet newsgroups like this take the position that the story has much, much more depth and complexity than is acknowledged by all but a minority of fans and critics. Yet so far when JKR is asked a question — a fairly good starting question that touches on the deeper meanings in the story — she typically IMO gives a relatively thin answer relative to what I hope and expect she could give. And sometimes she doesn’t appear to remember exactly what she wrote as is the case here.

I don't know if she has dodged the alchemy questions or hasn't been asked or won't allow it to be asked. :'(
Re-read OOTP and the issue of the veil and Rowling's "memory lapse"
regarding Ron being scared of it. WTF? In the one interview,

That was with Anelli.

Ugh!

JKR said, “Ron’s just scared, as I think Ron
would be – he just knows this is something he doesn’t want to dabble
with.” Bullshit.

Reread the section, you’ll see that Ron was not at all frightened of
the veil nor was he entranced by it as Harry, Ginny, and Neville
were. Ron appears to have been curious about it (enough to examine
it), but there isn’t a skif of a suggestion that he was afraid of it.
When they left the room, Hermione pulled the entranced Ginny from the
veil while Ron pulled the entranced Neville from it. There is no
suggestion that Ron was affected by the veil or evidence that he
heard the voices.

I do believe there would be interest and value in having JKR comment on the books on a deep level, but I don’t see that happening anytime soon. We would certainly get better answers from her if she allowed interviews with people who will challenge her about the deeper meaning of the books, but will she? And if she does, I hope she gives the series a reread first. B-)

So you think the Oprah interview wasn't pulsating and depth charged?
lol

Hardly. >:|

I want Keith Olbermann or Tim Russert to get her on a live interview.


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