Re: The Diary - Which death?
- From: Toon <toon@xxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 07:23:01 -0700
On 14 Sep 2008 08:00:20 GMT, UN <UN@xxxxx> wrote:
Louis Epstein <le@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in
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Welsh Dog <welshdog@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
: On Tue, 09 Sep 2008 00:29:30 -0500, Louis Epstein <le@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
: wrote:
:
:>joemanjo@xxxxxxxxx wrote:
:>: On Dec 11, 4:56 am, John VanSickle <evilsnackKOS...@xxxxxxxxxxx>
:>: wrote:
:>:> Frodo Baggins wrote:
:>:> > A question that has troubled me on the timeline front. The Diary
:>:> > Horcrux - whose death was used to create it? If it was Myrtle,
:>:> > how does killing using a Basilisk create a Horcrux?
:>:>
:>:> The wizard seeking to create a Horcrux is using one part of his
:>:> torn soul in the process. Slughorn said that an act of murder
:>:> does the tearing.
:>:>
:>:> He did not say that the murder must be committed by any particular
:>:> means. Since we are talking about souls, here, this make perfect
:>:> sense.
:>:> it is the intent of murder which does the damage to the soul. V
:>:> used
:>:> Nagini to commit the final Horcrux murder (from which he made
:>:> Nagini into a Horcrux).
:>:>
:>:> Means are not essential. It's where your heart is that counts.
:>:>
:>:
:>: I certainly understand that part about the intent rather than the
:>: means. It just does not add up with the story. Here is what I
:>: reason out - hoping that reason can still be applied to the
:>: storyline before I give it up as a waste of time.
:>:
:>: Assume for eg: that your surmise that any intent to murder (which
:>: results in death of a person as in the case of the Basilisk at
:>: Myrtle or Nagini at FB) splits your soul. Tom had already committed
:>: atleast four murders when he asked Slughorn about the Horcruxes -
:>: Myrtle and the three Riddles.
:>
:>He was already wearing the ring when he asked Slughorn...so he had
:>already robbed his uncle and killed his father and grandparents.
:>If Myrtle was the murder from whom he made the Diary a Horcrux,
:>as Rowling tells us,he couldn't have killed her yet or he already
:>had a Horcrux despite his curiosity.
:
: How do you know *when* he was talking to Slughorn??
We know that it's after he killed the Riddles because he's
wearing the ring.
: He could have killed Myrtle at any time previous to that memory
: being created!!
He killed Myrtle on the same occasion he turned the diary into
a Horcrux.He had to already know how to do that when he did it;
so was he only pretending not to know when he spoke to Slughorn?
Or had he not yet killed her?
:
: Welshdog
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Wasn't he asking Slughorn if you could make more than one Horcrux?
Asking him if you could make seven?
So it would seem he already had at least one at that point.
Or planning to make more than one. He clearly knew how to.
.
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