Re: Did Voldemort actually rip his soul into EIGHT pieces?

On Tue, 2 Sep 2008 01:22:38 -0400, "Thom Madura"
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Can't remember 'cos I haven't got the book near me, but didn't Voldy
go to Godrick's Hollow with the intention of making a horcrux out of
Harry's death? If so, then what 'thing' did he take with him to put
his last bit of soul into - and what happened to it after the AK
rebounded?

I think you found a contradiction.

DD was sure that Harry death was intended to make a horcux and guess that
LV
thinking he failed, made the snake into one. We find out later that he
was
right and did make the snake into a Horcrux. So while the books seem
clear
that Harry was to be the death LV was to make his last Horcrux... she
said a
couple of times...

"Harry was not technically a Horcrux, due to Voldemort's lack of intent"

that there was no intent to make a horcrux when he [tried] to kill Harry.

Luckily, conjecture, even on DD's part, doesn't make it so. :)

A bigger issue is what happened to all the *other* soul pieces that
were ripped away from the whole by murder?

We know Voldemort murdered hundreds of people personally... if not
thousands... and only a very few of the ripped soul pieces were made
into Horcruxes.

Actually - that can be deduced from Harry's experience.

We KNOW that Harry was not properly prepared - and that the murder was not
performed with the intent.

We don't know that. We don't know if Voldemort was going to use
Harary's murder as his final Horcrux. All we know is he wasn't
thinking about it right before he died (if his memories of that night
can be trusted, and they do contradict his claims James fight back.)

We also know that the soul fragment latched
itself onto the nearest living thing it could find. That was because
Voldemorts mortal body had been destroyed.

Of course - that leaves a plot hole too.
Voldemort was able to murder - even when he had not yet returned to full
form.
We do not know if that would have split his soul - or where those fragments
would have gone.
And - of course - Nagini becomes the problem there. When did he make Naginin
his final Horcrux?

Between GOF and OOP. V had to have known quite early upon his return
Luscius cost him the Diary, so he'd want to make one new one ASAP.
.

Relevant Pages

  • Horcruxes revisited (LONG POST, SP)
    ... nature of horcruxes in JKR's novels, ... We know that a "split" soul can heal over time with remorse (as ... If a Horcrux has been made, ... comes down to the significance of the murders that Voldemort commits. ...
    (alt.fan.harry-potter)
  • Re: Why Harry *isnt* a Horcrux
    ... There is no clear reason why the victim's death should cause the soul to be ripped three or four days later, or even three or four minutes later; if it's going to happen as a direct result of the act, it surely happens as soon as the death takes place, or perhaps even as the murderous act is committed with intent. ... Horcrux would use the damage to his advantage: ... If the above doesn't give you the impression that upon murder the soul ... Using his reasoning, I attempted to counter his argument. ...
    (alt.fan.harry-potter)
  • Re: Horcruxes - The Whole Scoop (long post & SP)
    ... about his opinion of multiple horcrux. ... Another reason that I hope Harry has access to ... the soul, or can a multiple homicide make a single split? ... Can a Horcrux be made with a fragment of soul split by a murder long ...
    (alt.fan.harry-potter)
  • Re: Horcruxes - The Whole Scoop (long post & SP)
    ... about his opinion of multiple horcrux. ... Another reason that I hope Harry has access to ... What exactly is a soul? ... Can a Horcrux be made with a fragment of soul split by a murder long ...
    (alt.fan.harry-potter)
  • Re: Why Harry *isnt* a Horcrux
    ... >> This does seem almost certain; if murder causes the soul to be ripped, ... >> then presumably the damage occurs at the moment of the murder. ... > creation of the horcrux would most likely be done ex post facto after the ... That was Harry seeing the Thestrals ...
    (alt.fan.harry-potter)