Re: Leaving the Dursleys.


"Here in Minnesota!" <neverwillicheckthis@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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But you're missing the essential point that had the charm lifted and
Harry been 'visible' they'd have known he was alone and would have
attacked while he was helpless and *before* a bunch of Aurors and
other supporters turned up to protect/defend him!!

The plain fact they didn't means they couldn't! The charm must have
held at least until Harry left.

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You are getting your charms confused. The protection his mother's
sacrifice
left did not prevent them from locating [or seeing] Harry's house. You
are
thinking of the "Fidelius Charm" which the OOTP house and Harry's
parents
house had.

As far as I understood it the effect was essentially the same as far
as witches and wizards are concerned else Voldemort could just have
imperiused a muggle to go hit Harry... and any Dursley that got in the
way.

Actually... when you start to think about it the entire idea or this
'sacrificial protection' is entirely crazy!! I understand why/how
they might be able to hide an entire house... but to make a wizard
impossible to kill whilst within it whilst allowing the house to be
seen makes no sense (even within the odd logic of the Potterverse).

For example, what's to stop a muggle lobbing a bomb through the
window?? I'd bet there are loads of people who'd be willing to do it
for a reasonable amount of cash or gold!! :)

Welshdog


You're still confusing the 3 major types of protections involved. They are
not "essentially the same" except they all offer protections.

1. The protection Harry received from his mother sacrifice.

This protected Harry from the AK curse when he was a baby and prevented LV
from being able to touch Harry until he shared Harry's blood at the end of
GOF.

This protection did not make harry or the Dursley house invisible to
anyone
[muggles or wizards]

2. The protection from the pact between Dumbledore and Aunt Petunia [seal
by
Lily's blood].

This protected Harry when Harry was at home [even when his aunt Petunia
wasn't home]

This protection did not make harry or the Dursley house invisible to
anyone
[muggles or wizards]

3. Fidelius Charm.

A charm which did make a house invisible.... the OOTP house not Harry's

I am sorry it took so long to get back to you - I had a weird problem.
Thunderbird would not log on to my news server no matter what I did - I had
to switch to Outlook now.

I disagree with what you say about the house being invisible. That is not
what a fidelius charm does.

If you look at the Potter residence - it did not hide it - it says in one of
the books that Voldemort could have looked directly through the windows of
the house and NOT FIND that Potters there BEFORE he knew the secret. (I wish
I had my books with me)

We KNOW that the secret for 12 Grimmaud place was that it was the
headquarters of the OOP.
But - Sirius says that there were other spells and enchantments that made
the house unplottable. That is what hid the house.

I continue to believe that a Fidelius charm can only protect something that
can be a secret - which is how it is presented as the secret keeping charm.
The location of a house is unlikely to be a secret - at the very least no
Sirius' house. We know that Belatrix and Narcissa knew where it was - they
were possible inheritors after Sirius died.

What the spell CAN protect is the activity inside the house that did not
happen before the spell was cast - like hididng the Potters or the OOP
meetings. Those things can be a secret.

Look at it this way - if you could hide a house or buidling with a
Fidelius - you could conceivably hide anythingyou wanted to from its owner
even. Imagine Harry and Hermione casting a spell that HID the Malfoy manor.
Then Lucius, Narcissa, and Draco could not find their own home - I don't
think so. IF it was possible - any two wizards who could cast the spell
could wreak havoc on teh Wizarding world - by hiding the MOM headquartes- or
Hogwarts - or everybodys houses from view. THere would be no need for a
war - why not hide the entire wizarding world from Voldemort? (ALright -
maybe it is not a powerful enough spell to do that - but you must catch my
meaning)







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