Re: Elder Wand and the Duel in the Lobby
- From: Frodo Baggins <doufrodo@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 11:50:47 -0700 (PDT)
On Mar 12, 11:57 pm, Thomas Gagne <tga...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I'm sure that someone has pointed this out before, but in going over
the various plot problems caused by the Elder Wand it occurred to me
that when Dumbledore duels Voldemort in the Atrium of the Ministry of
Magic at the end of Book 5, his spellcraft really doesn't seem to
reflect the possession of an "unbeatable" wand.
The way Dumbledore is described in the book he behaves very much like he
has an unbeatable wand. I remember reading somewhere else that killing
curses can't be protegos or shielded--they need to hit something. DD
gave them something to hit.
To the best of my recollection, the only thing in the books about AK
is that "there is no countercurse" - which means that the killing
cannot be undone. Other curses have countercurses which, if done in
time, can reverse the damage. There is no explicit mention in the
books that Protego will not work, maybe you have to conjure a strong
sheild charm (like that Iron Sheild which LV conjured up to block one
of DDs curses in the same duel). Ofcourse, I have not dug thru JKRs
often contradicting interviews to see what she has to say in this
It always surprised me that Harry and co, who are so pursued by death
so as to speak, never bothered to find out how to deal with AK curses.
But then that is also a loophole, JKR never seems let her characters
think like we would have wanted them to. To me, it is obvious that
curiosity is an inseparable part of a school going child. Her
character development is poor and in later books her imagination ran
thin. I believe we have discussed "Deathly Hollows" in many past
threads. So that part of the discussion is itself is not new.
About the duel, if you read the book carefully, there is some mention
of how Harry marvels at the fearlessness and calm exhibited by DD in
dueling with LV. In hindsight this will enable JKR to pretend that she
always had the Hallowed wand in the plot. DD certainly got better of
LV until the point when LV chose to possess Harry. At this point,
saving Harry became DDs top priority even at the cost of letting LV
escape. So we really cannot see any conclusive sign of strength with
the Wand, DD seemed sure of himself, but then he always was from the
time WE got to know him. Ofcourse the movie made a hash of it turning
DD into a blubbering buffoon.
One question that I have asked before is this. Why didnt LV, who was
able to perceive a mental connection between him and Harry as early as
in Book 5, investigate this connection to find out how it came into
being? He was experimenting with souls - whole and in parts - why
didnt his mind leap to a soulbit connection? How was he able to so
easily possess Harry, why didnt he do the same with Draco and some of
the more easily accessible DE's boys? He could have caused mayhem in
the school/neighbourhood if he chose to possess a boy and use him as a
cover to attack Harry and friends.
Ok make that a few questions!
Still, Voldemort is a powerful wizard and Dumbledore didn't lose to
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