Re: OOTP

Lady of the Rings wrote:
"Thom Madura" <Tommadura@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> ha scritto nel messaggio news:479914a6$0$6349$607ed4bc@xxxxxxxxx
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Well, sorry but... You all say DD might have been evile because he chose the Potters andnot the Longbottoms. Since we do not have the Longbottom's death date, we can't say that it was not around the Potters' one. Simply, The Longbottoms have probably died in battle before the Potters, so Neville might have been protected by gran.

And therefore, with the doubt it might have been the other boy, DD and wormtail (and Sirius) might have agreed the special protection on the Potters. Lily's reaction is the normal mother's. No plot in there imho. Just love. DD is not evil in there. Who says he didn't try to protect the Longbottom child as well?

WHile we do know that the Longbottoms were in St. Mungo's in the books - we also know that Voldemort did not know the last of the prophecy. So - as far as he was concerned - he did not know that Harry was the "one" he marked. I continue to believe that Voldemort "chose" Harry FIRST - because wormtail ratted out the Potters. I am also sure that Dumbledore knew exactly what families the Prophecy referred to immediately - and did not need Snape to tell him. Dumbledore - as head of the OOP would have had both the Potters and the Longbottoms put into protection.

Agreed, indeed.

No one except JKR will convince me that Voldemort never intended to deal with the Longbottoms after he dealt with the Potters.

That's the point, if he had gone the other way round the result might have been different (for poor Neville, at least)

However - there remains no reasonable explanation why Voldemort - NOT KNOWING THE COMPLETE PROPHECY - did not also target Neville.
This is where the timeline gets tricky. Obviously - Snape went to Dumbledore to tell him that Voldemort was going after the Potters first. The question is - How much time before the happening did Dumbledore know? Dumbledore would have gone to Sirius - and found out that Sirius was not the secret keeper - something Sirius COULD say(Dumbledore never did this though). Snape and Sirius both could have told Dumbledore that wormtail was the secret keeper. But - not knowing the secret himself - he could not have "found" the Potters. Even Snape could not tell Dumbledore where the Potters were hiding.

Is this a key to explain the missing 24 hours? Might Harry have survived some hours in the ruins while muggles and magicians were running to the "blast" scene?



We still run into the Fidelius charm problem here. Wormtail was still alive - even if they THOUGHT different. The secret was the hiding place of the Potters. I would assume it included Harry. That means that only those who KNEW the secret should have been able to find Harry in the wreckage.

It is my thought that Sirius found Harry in the wreckage. Dumbledore did NOT know the secret - he did not know Wormtail was the secret keeper. Apparently - Snape couldn't tell him. Sirius did know that Wormtail was the secret keeper so he likely was in on the secret. So - he could go to the house and find Harry - when the only other people who could would have been Wormtail and Voldemort (and anyone else wormtail told the secret to among the Death Eaters).

It is also possible that once Lily and James were dead - and the house was destroyed - the secret was no longer and therefore the Fidelius was broken. THe problem with that is that would have left it for the local muggles to find Harry.
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