Re: Invisibility cloaks



"\(not quite so\) Fat Sam" <samandjanet@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
: Ron Hunter wrote:
:> Martin Mose Larsen wrote:
:>> On Wed, 17 Oct 2007 18:38:58 +0100, "\(not quite so\) Fat Sam"
:>> <samandjanet@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
:>>
:>>> Les wrote:
:>>>> On Oct 17, 12:27 pm, "\(not quite so\) Fat Sam"
:>>>> <samandja...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
:>>>>> Okay, so you have an invisibility cloak.
:>>>>> After a long day of invisible activities, you return home and take
:>>>>> off your invisibility cloak.
:>>>>> You carefully fold it up and set it down somewhere, then go about
:>>>>> your business for the rest of the day.
:>>>>> You get up the next morning, and get ready to go to your invisible
:>>>>> job and do your invisible work, but how do you find the
:>>>>> invisibility cloak you took off the previous night?
:>>>>> You didn't think it through did you Jo?..... ;-)
:>>>> Actually, feeling for the invisibility cloak would be possible. The
:>>>> cloak also seems to have a visible inside (from the movies, at
:>>>> least), so all you have to do is store it inside-out.
:>>> Damn you. You've just ruined my theory. LOL.
:>>>
:>> No reason to throw out a good theory just because it isn't true ...
:>> (Where would conspiracy-theorists be if it was common practice to do
:>> so?)
:>>
:>> Would a visible inside not make it impossible to see anything other
:>> than its inside, when wearing it?
:>>
:>> Must be a see-through-thing then?
:>>
:>> Or, HEY, uh, oh, thought: maybe it's magical! ;-)
:>>
:>> Future scenario: a fighter-pilot trying to tell his commanding
:>> officer that he has forgotten where he parked that brand-new
:>> stealth-fighter he was test-flying the day before, and that now he
:>> can't find it. sayonara
:>> Martin Mose Larsen
:>>
:>
:> I recall my brother-in-law, who served with a 117A squadron,
:> mentioning watching four of them take off, and after they were in the
:> air, turning off their transponders, and disappearing from the radar,
:> while he could still see them himself. It was rather strange, he
:> said. And they are quite easily seen when on the ground, not so easily
:> seen
:> when flying overhead in the dark.
:
: During the Kosovo unpleasantness in 1999, I was stationed at Aviano airbase
: in Northern Italy, where the 117's were operating from.
: During that conflict, two of them got shot down by surface to air missiles
: which had somehow managed to lock onto them. Most bizarre of all was the
: fact that it was very old and unsophisticatd technology that shot them down.
: Namely SA-2 and SA-3 missile systems.
: This puzzled the USAF top brass, and a massive investigation was mounted
: into how this could have happened. Even some of the RAF officers from my
: department were called in to help with the investigation.
: In the end it was discovered that it was actually a design fault. In effect,
: a fatal mistake had been made in their design which rendered their stealth
: capabilities useless against countries with old radar technology (usually
: ex-Soviet radar tech).
: Apparently when they were designing the F117's, great care was taken to
: ensure they were invisible to all the latest and most sophisticated target
: acquisition radar systems, and even greater strides were made to
: future-proof the technology.
: Unfortunately, what they didn't realise (or perhaps they did but failed to
: recognise it's signifigance) was that a lot of the old Soviet radar
: equipment and SAM systems operate on a different frequency which enabled
: them to see the F117's as clearly as they would see a Tornado, Harrier or
: F-15.
:
: I believe fast modifications were made - within the space of a few days to
: rectify this design oversight.
:
: Despite this, I still think the F117 is an incredible piece of technology.
: Absolutely mind-blowing stuff.

Is the F-22 harder or easier to spot?

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