Re: That Glorious Death

On Dec 1, 12:08 am, Sirius Kase <SiriusK...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Nov 30, 4:02 am, santosh <santosh....@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:



Sirius Kase wrote:
On Nov 29, 12:41 pm, santosh <santosh....@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Sirius Kase wrote:
On Nov 29, 4:19 am, santosh <santosh....@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Tweedle Dee wrote:
On Nov 28, 9:02 pm, Drusilla <gammanormidsERASET...@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

So, who died the glorious death? Dobby, the elf, while
saving Harry, Hermione, Ron, Olivander, and Luna.

Yep. Dobby. Which for some reason, makes his death scene even
funnier to me now.

Er... why did you find Dobby's death scene funny in the first
place?

Probably because the entire House-Elf concept is a comic diversion
one, obviously.

There was nothing funny about Dobby's role in Deathly Hallows. I
believe some readers have been victims of pavlovian conditioning.
An
elf appears and does something funny so they laugh. It happens
again,
and they laugh. Then an elf appears and the reader laughs anyway
even
when nothing funny happens. Then, an elf appears and dies saving
some of the most important characters of the story, and the
conditioned reader laughs.

Err, actually I was trying to explain why _some_ people might find
Dobby's death funny. I certainly did not. All the three deaths we
were actually made witness to in DH were quite sober episodes, even
that of the owl.

As was I. I didn't name names. I must admit that I didn't think of
Dobby right off the bat as being a hero. It really is hard to take
the elves as seriously as humans. Although I didn't laugh when Dobby
or Hedwig died, it wasn't as sad for me as the deaths of Lupin, Tonks,
Fred, or even Snape. They just aren't human.

Do you find the death of a small child sadder than the death of an adult
person?

Not...

If so why? Is it because of a perceived "innocence" of the
child, as compared to the adult. The adult often knows what he is
getting into, often has an idea of what is to befall him. The child has
no such knowledge. It is merely pitifully bewildered and terrified of
what is happening to it.

What is this about? Why directed at me? I easily feel much sadder
when children lose their parents than when parents lose their
children, although losing my children would be unbearable. Growing
old without your children is tragic, but growing up without your
parents can be impossible.



Extending this line of thought it could be argued that animals are
as "innocent", if not more so, than children and hence their deaths are
often sadder than a human', particularly when the animal is an
evolutionarily advanced one like a cat, dog, horse etc.

Why extend something that doesn't make sense? If you must extend, why
don't you discuss how this applies to HP or house elves? Are you
saying dead elves are like dead dogs and are therefore more tragic
than dead children which in turn are more tragic than dead adults?

BTW, when I say children, I mean little people who can't survive on
their own without a parent or a guardian. It's sad when your parent's
die, but if you are an adult, you should be able to deal with it even
easier than if your children die. After, all, that's the normal
condition, for parents of adult children to die. Didn't say easy,
just easier to deal with what is normal than what is unusual, like
being orphaned. BTW, I have know several people who where orphaned
when they were minors and absolutely none of them liked their
guardians. I hope I don't die, because I would hate for my kids to
hate the people who are now their favorite aunt and uncle.
.

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