Re: death penalty

mueckelein wrote:
On 23 Nov., 22:33, Thorsten Schier <use...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
santosh schrieb:



In article <fi51si$grv$0...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, Thorsten Schier
<use...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote on Friday 23 Nov 2007 4:33 am:
mueckelein schrieb:
[...]
Please don´t mix up religion, religious extremism and faith. The
ordinary Christian or Jew or Muslim will be of no danger at all to
anyone. They just live in peace, want peace and pray to god.
My oppinion that Humans have a soul is not based on religious
conviction, but on an experience I had as a ten year old girl. I had
a nearly fatal accident then. I fell over the railing head first into
the basement of the house, 12 feet deep. I seperated from my body
during that fall, I watched my body fall down there from the top of
the staircase and only joined my body again when I landed, badly but
not lethally injured, on the floor. I was very confused about this
experience but only was able to interprete it when I was much older.
What seperated from my body? How could I see my own body fall from a
distance of more than 3 yards? I saw it fall like in slow motion, it
cannot have taken more than 1 or 2 seconds in fact. But I saw it and
still remember it vividly. Much later I came to read that many people
have experienced very similar things. If I hadn´t seen it myself I´d
always have regarded such talk as complete nonsense. But there you
are - I went through it...
There is a serious logical problem with this kind of out of body
experiences. If your soul was separated from your body, then how was
the soul able to see the body? Or did your eyes leave your body as
well? Which would raise the question how were able to interpret and
remember what your eyes saw without a brain. Or if the soul is able to
see, think and remember without the help of eyes or brains, then why
is this not working when people hurt their eyes or brains?
Are you saying she is a liar?
I'm certainly saying no such thing.

Are you saying that all the hundreds of
thousands of out-of-body experiences are lies?
No, I think that most people with out-of-body experiences are not lying.
The majority of them are probably convinced that they experienced what
they report.

However, I strongly disagree with the interpretation that those
experiences are real in the sense that the soul or something like that
gets separated from body and can see the body. Imho it is much more
likely that whatever they experience is happening inside their head. In
fact, out-of-body experiences can be induced voluntarily by certain
drugs or by stimulating certain areas of the brain and by some other
techniques, which seems to indicate that the brain is instrumental in
creating these experiences. Please refer to wikipedia for details.

Not everything might be explainable purely by logic and science. Since
science has not yet reached it's apex, we don't even know whether it
can explain all possible phenomena. Right now, there are many things
for which science has either no explanation or a poor one.
The "soul's" "eyes" may only be active when it is separated (for
whatever reason) from the body. It may not be active as long as it
inhabits the body, which is why blind people cannot continue to "see"
with their "inner eye".
And why would this be? Sorry, but this does not make any sense to me.



The whole experience is unexplainable by current logic and science, so
you saying that it has a "serious logical problem" is a complete non
sequitor.
Just because you cannot understand something someone said does not mean
that it is not possible or that that person is a liar.
Well, I do understand a thing or two about physics and biology and I can
tell you that Mueckeleins interpretation of her experience, if true,
would unhinge several of the most fundamental laws of physics and
biology. My questions in my last post only scratched the surface of the
problems involved. So I hope you will understand if I do not needlessly
sacrifice everything I ever learned about science when there are other,
much more likely, explanations at hand. As explained above, this is not
implying that she is lying, just that I think that her interpretation
cannot be correct in my opinion. Your mileage may vary.

Thorsten

Which law of physics have been broken by my experience?

You cannot be in two places at the same time.
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