Re: did Jesus say I am God or worship me? Is bible Gods words? Is God one or three? How can God die by Jews? Is the religion of prophets before Jesus different from religion of Jesus? What was people before coming of Jesus believing?

On 20 Nov, 23:23, Thom Madura <Tommad...@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

I am sorry but this is just a second bunch of rubbish answering the first.

I am sorry too, but this is just your take on the matter as the rest
was mine and small giant's. Did I say small giant's was rubbish? I
believe I simply explained why his assumptions were wrong according to
my reasoning, but in no way did I state that what I said was Absolute
Truth: it's simply my opinion. Am I saying what you think is rubbish?
Not out loud, at least. You're entitled to your opinion but so are we
and no matter how deeply each of us belives to be right, none of us
has the right to call other people's beliefs rubbish. Especially with
regards to religion.


There is NO person on earth who completely believes in the bible - which
is most certainly not the word of any god - even if there is one. Just
like every other religion, the "faithful" pick and choose what they want
to believe and what they don't. I can DEFINITIVELY say without any
question.

"No", "most certainly", "definitively"... You know, the problem with
using such words is that you may be asked to prove the absolute Truth
you are declaring. Of course you may rebuke that no one can prove a
God does exist nor that any of the Holy Books around are his doing,
but one may easily object that proving God does not exist is equally
impossible. Similarly I think I may just have a little more luck in
finding someone who totally believes in God and the Bible (bigotry
does exist, you know) than you'd have asking each and every person on
Earth if they do.

All you need to do is to go to Leviticus and determine how
many different "crimes" result in stoning (Which - according to you is
your gods word and therefore should be carried out) - but then look at
how few stonings have happened recently.

For example - In Leviticus - is clearly says that a son that Disobeys
his father should be taken to the outside of town and stoned to death.

By the way - it also says - in the bible - that women are not to speak
in churches. If they have a question - they are supposed to ask their
husband after they return home.

This probably fell under the "rubbish" part of my post that you
skipped, but this is the part where God's Son comes to Earth,
fulfilling God's promise to Noah, and basically tells everyone "Look,
everything you said and did up to now is fine, but now sit, listen,
learn and start applying God's true Law... and about time, too, since
you went a little astray while waiting for my arrival." If Jesus had
approved of stoning he wouldn't have stopped the pharisee from killing
an adultress (John 8,7). Another example may be this: that once Jesus
was asked about the practice of divorcing one's wife and his answer
was "because of your hardness of heart Moses allowed you to divorce
your wives, but from the beginning it was not so. And I say to you:
whoever divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries
another, commits adultery." (Matthew 19,3-12). Now, there are many
other such examples and I'd like to clarify that I learned about them
studying for my Canonic Law exam, not at Church school.
I couln't care less what you believe in and whether or not you approve
of the Church's doing or of any other Faith's, I just wish you'd make
more learned assumptions or just give up and speak about something
else. Or go ask the Jews why they don't stone people anymore, because
as far as I know the Old Testament is still law to them (as far as the
Church is concerned, it is mostly abrogated law); I'm sure they have
good reasons not to, so once someone who knows more about it gives you
the Jewish answer just let me know. Personally I can only answer for
the legal aspects of the Catholic Church (which is a recognized legal
institution, if you were wondering).


Conclusion: be careful when abusing religion, you might be submerged
by a neverending flow of words from a Law addict; yes, I'm not such a
big Believer: it's just by chance and because of my studies that I'm
better informed about Catholic doctrine than any other religion's.
.

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