Re: death penalty

On Nov 17, 4:05 am, Ron Hunter <rphun...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Drusilla wrote:
Ron Hunter escribió:
Drusilla wrote:
Thom Madura escribió:
Ron Hunter wrote:
Bill Blakely wrote:
On Wed, 14 Nov 2007 02:27:28 -0600, Ron Hunter <rphun...@xxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

Bill Blakely wrote:
On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 04:07:46 -0600, Ron Hunter
<rphun...@xxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

I also try to consider the stand on abortion as one of the
major deciding factors in a politician's overall suitability.
Which way?? You seem to come down on both sides of the issue!!

In which case Mitt Romney must be your candidate!! LOL

I often see both sides of an issue. I see no viable candidate in
the upcoming presidential election. They are all unacceptable.

That's nice but you say that a candidate's stand on abortion is a
major deciding factor in your mind, yet I still have no idea which
view impresses you positively.

If it were up to me, abortion would be illegal unless medical
authority indicated it dangerously threatened the life of the
mother, and after that, it would be the joint decision of the
mother and father. In cases of rape, it would be the mother's
decision, alone.

Is that clear enough?
The current crop of 'presidential hopefuls' is about the most
pathetic I have seen in my 65 years, on both sides of the 'aisle'.
PATHETIC!

Abortion is either legal - or it is not - as far as I am concerned.
If it is legal in one instance (Rape- or endangering a mother's
life) - then there is no reasonable reason why it should not be
legal in all cases.

If religion wants to enjoin its followers to something else - that
is their perogative for their adherents - and those who believe in
it have the right to follow their religious guidelines if they believe.
I take note that abortion is legal in the Jewish religion up to a
certain point - for instance.

However - those who are religious and give all those reasons for not
allowing abortion would clamor just as quickly if a different
religion that they did not believe was FORCED upon them. There is
nothing stopping those people from doing what their religion
espouses. They have no right to force their religious beliefs on
others.

Once abortion is legal in any circumstance, there is no longer an
ability to "take the moral position" that is should not be allowed
in others. An unwanted child is as just as any other reason.

IICR, I've seen catholic priests defending abortions when the life of
the mother is in danger. Of course, the ideal is that both of them
survive, but in this case, I don't think there is any "punishment" or
segregation for this option. More than a religious position, is a
personal moral position, IMO: I wouldn't do it, even if I were
atheist. And I do know a "very catholic" family who had made their
daughter to abort because she shouldn't have gotten pregnant in first
place.

I recall that one of my nieces had an abortion because she was only 14
at the time. I am sure that she really had little understanding of
what would be the risks involved. Fortunately, there was no damage,
and she now is happily married, and has 5 children, so far. Cases
like hers are very difficult to decide. I am sure that her life would
have been drastically changed, and her health imperiled had she not
aborted, but I suspect that she regrets having to make such a decision.

I agree that when it's about children, is very difficult to decide. A 10
years old girl was raped and got pregnant a couple of years ago.
Pro-abort people immediately asked for an abortion. Church ask the
family to not abort. Eventually, it turned out that the abort itself
would be more of a risk than having the baby, so, she had the baby and
gave it up for adoption. The law protected her completely if she decided
for the abortion: she was in risk and she had been forced. I had
supported her completely if she had decided to abort. My point is that I
don't find justification when a mature woman, despite she might claim
she has the right to do it, choose to abort because "pregnancy would
ruin her figure". And yes, there are cases like this.

I agree with you. As the laws are, currently, one can abort just
because they don't like the gender of the fetus. That could lead to
really bad problems later. Even China frowns on that approach.

I agree with Drusilla, yes some people abort for very stupid reasons
and you, that some people abort for very dangerous reasons. It's very
difficult to write a general law that draws a line in a reasonable
place. It is also difficult to outlaw prenatal testing since just
about any test that determines the viability of the fetus is going to
identify the gender, and withholding of information from a mother
simply because she might use it to make a bad decision is much too
paternalistic for any society I'd want to be a part of. It's all up
to allowing people to make their own informed decisions and trusting
that enough of them do the right thing, whatever that might be.
.

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