Re: death penalty

Drusilla wrote:
Ron Hunter escribió:
Drusilla wrote:
Thom Madura escribió:
Ron Hunter wrote:
Bill Blakely wrote:
On Wed, 14 Nov 2007 02:27:28 -0600, Ron Hunter <rphunter@xxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

Bill Blakely wrote:
On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 04:07:46 -0600, Ron Hunter <rphunter@xxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:


I also try to consider the stand on abortion as one of the major deciding factors in a politician's overall suitability.
Which way?? You seem to come down on both sides of the issue!!

In which case Mitt Romney must be your candidate!! LOL

I often see both sides of an issue. I see no viable candidate in the upcoming presidential election. They are all unacceptable.

That's nice but you say that a candidate's stand on abortion is a
major deciding factor in your mind, yet I still have no idea which
view impresses you positively.


If it were up to me, abortion would be illegal unless medical authority indicated it dangerously threatened the life of the mother, and after that, it would be the joint decision of the mother and father. In cases of rape, it would be the mother's decision, alone.

Is that clear enough?
The current crop of 'presidential hopefuls' is about the most pathetic I have seen in my 65 years, on both sides of the 'aisle'. PATHETIC!


Abortion is either legal - or it is not - as far as I am concerned. If it is legal in one instance (Rape- or endangering a mother's life) - then there is no reasonable reason why it should not be legal in all cases.

If religion wants to enjoin its followers to something else - that is their perogative for their adherents - and those who believe in it have the right to follow their religious guidelines if they believe.
I take note that abortion is legal in the Jewish religion up to a certain point - for instance.

However - those who are religious and give all those reasons for not allowing abortion would clamor just as quickly if a different religion that they did not believe was FORCED upon them. There is nothing stopping those people from doing what their religion espouses. They have no right to force their religious beliefs on others.

Once abortion is legal in any circumstance, there is no longer an ability to "take the moral position" that is should not be allowed in others. An unwanted child is as just as any other reason.

IICR, I've seen catholic priests defending abortions when the life of the mother is in danger. Of course, the ideal is that both of them survive, but in this case, I don't think there is any "punishment" or segregation for this option. More than a religious position, is a personal moral position, IMO: I wouldn't do it, even if I were atheist. And I do know a "very catholic" family who had made their daughter to abort because she shouldn't have gotten pregnant in first place.

I recall that one of my nieces had an abortion because she was only 14 at the time. I am sure that she really had little understanding of what would be the risks involved. Fortunately, there was no damage, and she now is happily married, and has 5 children, so far. Cases like hers are very difficult to decide. I am sure that her life would have been drastically changed, and her health imperiled had she not aborted, but I suspect that she regrets having to make such a decision.

I agree that when it's about children, is very difficult to decide. A 10 years old girl was raped and got pregnant a couple of years ago. Pro-abort people immediately asked for an abortion. Church ask the family to not abort. Eventually, it turned out that the abort itself would be more of a risk than having the baby, so, she had the baby and gave it up for adoption. The law protected her completely if she decided for the abortion: she was in risk and she had been forced. I had supported her completely if she had decided to abort. My point is that I don't find justification when a mature woman, despite she might claim she has the right to do it, choose to abort because "pregnancy would ruin her figure". And yes, there are cases like this.

I agree with you. As the laws are, currently, one can abort just because they don't like the gender of the fetus. That could lead to really bad problems later. Even China frowns on that approach.
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