Re: death penalty

Thorsten Schier wrote:
Ron Hunter schrieb:
Thom Madura wrote:

Toon wrote:

On Mon, 05 Nov 2007 04:48:51 -0600, Ron Hunter <rphunter@xxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

Thorsten Schier wrote:

Ron Hunter schrieb:

Thorsten Schier wrote:

Ron Hunter schrieb:

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You persist in calling legal executions 'murder', which they, by definition, are NOT. There is no way to discuss the subject as long as we can't agree on the definitions.

Executions certainly meet the definition of murder in most jurisdictions of industrialised countries. If your country insists in legalising some kinds of murder, this does not stop people from other countries from calling it by the proper name.

Thorsten

Murder is the killing of an innocent person.


So, if you commit a crime, and I kill you, it's not murder?


If the crime was attacking you - and you killed in self defense - it is not murder.


You will never convince him. Just as you will never convince him that 'partial birth abortion' is 'baby killing'.

A foetus is not yet a baby. So you can call abortion "foetus killing" if you like to do so, but not "baby killing".


YOUR definition, and I STRONGLY disagree with your definition!


Killing innocents is fine, killing the guilty, who scoff at the laws of society, and prey on the innocent is somehow wrong. Strange.
People seem so concerned with the rights of the lawbreaker,

Well, even lawbreakers are human beings and should have some rights.

To get this ontopic again, do you think that Draco Malfoy should be executed for his crimes, which after all include at least several counts of attempted murder?


Nope, just life in a nice clean, secure facility.
His dad, on the other hand, should be executed.


It's a bit harder to call for the death of a criminal when you know a bit more about him and his background and when you can see him as a human being, isn't it?


No. Not at all.


and so little concerned with the lives, and rights, of the victims of those lawbreakers.

The death penalty, however, does nothing for the victims of lawbreakers. Quite the contrary. The spirit of violence created in a society by the death penalty just produces even more victims. A society that thinks that killing is a good solution for problems with some of their members is in trouble.


BUNK!


If you want to reduce the number of crime victims, here is an idea: get your country a decent social welfare system so that the losers in your society don't have to choose between starvation and crime.


We have that. Trouble is some find crime easier than filling out forms, and staying one the right side of the law. Little things like not driving while intoxicated, and obeying the immigration laws, and not stealing what isn't tied down seem to evade the notice of some the 'losers' in society, which is largely the reason they are losers.


Thorsten
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