Re: death penalty
- From: Thom Madura <Tommadura@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2007 13:21:53 -0500
On Mon, 05 Nov 2007 04:48:51 -0600, Ron Hunter <rphunter@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Thorsten Schier wrote:Ron Hunter schrieb:Murder is the killing of an innocent person.Thorsten Schier wrote:Executions certainly meet the definition of murder in most jurisdictions of industrialised countries. If your country insists in legalising some kinds of murder, this does not stop people from other countries from calling it by the proper name.
Ron Hunter schrieb:
Here in Minnesota wrote:
***Disclaimer: this topic is not to start a flame war on the death penalty in the US etc; any such notes will be ignored.***I suppose some would argue that a person who has had his soul sucked out isn't dead as he still breathes, and his heart still beats, but it seems a worthless distinction to me. But then weren't some sent through the veil in the past? Seems a neater solution to me.
It appears that the wizarding community does not have the death penalty. This doesn't make sense.
The main reasons against the death penalty; cruelty, non reversibility and the question of if a government has the right to take a life. If wizards are against the death penalty for any of these reasons they would be even more against the dementor's kiss. It doesn't seem consistent.
I am not into such hair splitting. Some things just require the death penalty in order to assure the safety of society.
However, the death penalty does nothing at all to to ensure the safety of the society. Quite the contrary. If even the state murders people, how can criminals be expected to refrain from doing so? In a society that considers murder to be a solution for any problem at all, there will be more violence than in a society that does not believe in the death penalty.
If you compare the USA and the EU, you can easily see that the death penalty comes at a heavy prize for the USA: far more crime and violence.
You persist in calling legal executions 'murder', which they, by definition, are NOT. There is no way to discuss the subject as long as we can't agree on the definitions.
So, if you commit a crime, and I kill you, it's not murder?
If the crime was attacking you - and you killed in self defense - it is not murder.