Re: Art Stopped Short
- From: SPT <Rhododactylon@xxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2007 01:49:31 -0000
On Oct 25, 11:27 pm, josephmrami...@xxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
On Oct 25, 10:27 pm, SPT <Rhododacty...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Perhaps Dumbledore needed another reason to pursue *wizard* conquest,
which must always come before muggle conquest. In fact, dark wizards
seem to spend a lot more time terrorizing, killing, and subduing their
fellow wizards and witches than they do hunting muggles. If Dumbledore
understood that consolidating power among wizards would be the
necessary prelude to conquering muggles, and that consolidation would
require spreading death and destruction among his own kind, it's not
so odd for him to have required extra motivation, beyond his family's
experience, for launching an antimuggle crusade.
Well, if this were the case, he would not need to fear taking the job
of Minister for Magic, which would mean his explanation to Harry is a
lie. Which still means that we have take JKR's out-of-novel
explanation over JKR's in-novel explanation.
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3. Making Dumbledore gay violates the basic premise of allegorical
fantasy. Gays are inherently associated with an underground
counterculture. And unfortunately there already is an underground
counterculture in Harry Potter---- the Wizarding World. Gays, like all
those tinged with "Other-ness", all those people whom Vernon Dursley
would classify as "weirdos", are already included in the Wizarding
World at an allegorical level.
You cannot bring the thing itself and its fictional representation
into the same place in a novel. If you do they will mutually
annihilate, destroying your fictional universe.
This is an interesting argument, but I believe you overstate the
extent to which the Harry Potter series is allegorical. The
Potterverse is not a completely independent domain, like Middle Earth
or Narnia; it's simply an expanded version of the real world. As such,
any allegorical characters or events it contains must exist *in
addition to*, not in place of, their real-world counterparts.
Stripping out the real-world elements would defeat the author's
objective by eliminating the resemblance to everyday life that is one
of the keys to the fiction's appeal.
Sure. But Dumbledore's gayness is, by JKR's explanation, the key to
his tragedy and his backstory. This is not the case for race in the
Harry Potter series. None of the students is reported to have suffered
any problems due to racial discrimination.
If they had, that would result in the same sort of problem as with
Dumbledore. But JKR seems to have deliberately suppressed any such
issues (until now) precisely because she has been dealing with those
issues through the allegories of Muggles and Wizards and Purebloods
and Mud-bloods. To stop doing that now by bringing up the issue of
gays is idiotic.
With emphasis on the id.
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