Re: Underage drinking.

On Fri, 19 Oct 2007 02:52:02 -0500, Ron Hunter <rphunter@xxxxxxxxxxx>
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Bill Blakely wrote:
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mueckelein wrote:
On 9 Okt., 09:45, Ron Hunter <rphun...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Bill Blakely wrote:
On Sat, 06 Oct 2007 02:29:17 -0500, Ron Hunter <rphun...@xxxxxxxxxxx>
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Alun L. Palmer wrote:
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Mark Evans wrote:
Ron Hunter <rphun...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
It is impossible to determine how many murders would have happened
without the threat of the death penalty, but I agree that it doesn't
significantly decrease the number of people who would decide to commit
that crime. It does, however, completely prevent anyone who is
executed from committing that crime again. Recidivism rates for many
crimes run as high as 95%, but the rate for murders when the death
penalty is applied is 0%. That means it works.
Assuming you actully execute the right person. Otherwise you have killed
an innocent person (possibly an important witness) and left a murderer
free.
I am sure that has happened, but everything humanly possible is done to
prevent it, including automatic appeals and, usually, at least one
retrial. Balance the danger of someone being executed in error against
the possibility of a released murderer killing others, or an escaped
prisoner killing others. As long as humans are in the mix, nothing will
ever be perfect.
Have you never heard the phrase "better let 10 guilty men go free than
execute one innocent man"?
Sure, but I DON'T agree with it. It is destructive, from a safety
standpoint.
Ron, do you *ever* put yourself in the place of the people you so
nonchalantly consign to forced sterilization and to unjust execution
and imprisonment? If it happened to you, you wouldn't be so
philosophical about it.
Maybe, or maybe not. But I long ago volunteered to put my life at risk
for higher purposes. And that without expectation of reward, or even
guarantee of success. Being willing to die for principle is something
many people just can't fathom.
Which higher purposes were that? Your´s? Or others?
Millions of soldiers have given their lives for the higher purpose
including the Germans for Hitler´s "Higher purpose". SS and SA
soldiers persecuting Jews. They, as well as handicapped, Sinti and
Roma, and a lot of other victims who had done nothing at all were put
into concentration Camps and killed. And the killers were all
convinced that it was right what they did! It was Hitler´s purpose.
Like almost all people would have done most Germans blindly followed
Hitlers ideas and purposes in the belief it was good. They proved to
be wrong.
This blind obediance and lack of own thinking lead to the death of
about 100million people, to millions of homeless , to thousands of
orphans, to endless cruelty and despair! History has been repeated
over and over since then: In Yugoslavia the Serbien people slaughtered
the Bosnian, in Cambodia a sixth of the population were killed
because they were educated or elsewise "unwanted". They were killed by
blind followers of a weird idea of a powerhungry man!
Ask the soldiers in Iraque what they are fighting for. I don´t think
they can give you a convincing answer that is based on their own
thinking.

I think you would be very much surprised at just what the answers would be.
Phony soldiers don't count, right, Ron? ;-)

Which 'phony soldiers' do you mean?
You didn't hear, or hear of, Rush Limbaugh's comment about soldiers
who oppose the war being phony soldiers?

I avoid listening to people who go on TV with bookshelves behind them
filled with only their own books. Seems to me they are either promoting
something, or rather taken with their own opinion, to the exclusion of
other ideas.
Rush Limbaugh is taken with his own opinions to the exclusion of any
other ideas, all right, but you do realize he's is on radio, not TV,
don't you?

I haven't seen, or heard, him lately, and he DID have a regular TV show
some time ago. He always appeared at a desk with a bookcase behind him
filled with ONLY books by 'Rush Limbaugh'.
In any war, there are those in the military who aren't happy with either
the political aspects, or the way in which it is being run. However,
they are legally bound to NOT say anything about that, so if they do,
then they are breaking the law, as well as their oath. If that makes
them 'phony soldiers' to Rush, I can't argue with the idea.
But it's legal for them to go on TV praising the war. LOL

So, as a result, our generals and other military people can only
legally tell us the truth when they have retired or been discharged,
like Gen. Sanchez did a few days ago.

No wonder we're in the mess we're in.

None the less, Rush Limbaugh, who has never worn the uniform for a
single day, let alone been in combat, has no business calling anyone
who has a phony solider. And neither do you, Ron.

Excuse me? Rush has the same right to freedom of speech as anyone else,
and I certainly HAVE worn the uniform. So, yes, I DO have the right,
both by freedom of speech, and by service (Viet Nam Era Vet).
Obviously -- as I'm sure you very well know -- I meant no moral right,
not no legal right.


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The same legal right that allows you to make the statement immediately
above, especially considering that it is inaccurate, and highly biased.

As I clearly said above, and as you've known all along, I'm talking
about moral right, not legal right.

Your repeated attempts to spin this as a legal rather than moral issue
is not scoring any points with me, Ron.


Sometimes they are the same, sometimes not. It this case, they are
both.

Continued obfuscation. The issue is moral, not legal.

And, as has been pointed out, you had the original case somewhat
distorted. In any case, I have the moral right, having been a real
soldier, and having served with pride, and honor, and have the paperwork
to prove it.

That does not give you -- let alone a chicken hawk like Rush Limbaugh
-- the moral right to call soldiers who disagree with you about the
war in Iraq phony soldiers.


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