Re: Harry Potter And The Death Of God: The Series Is A Kind Of Anti-Gospel
- From: Thom-Madura <thommadura@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 13:58:31 -0400
Sue H wrote:
On Thu, 30 Aug 2007 19:42:20 -0400, Thom-Madura
<thommadura@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Fish Eye no Miko wrote:On Aug 30, 1:52 pm, Thom-Madura <thommad...@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:I am not truly an Atheist - I just don't believe in religion. However - in the historical record - there is absoluteley no evidence of Moses - and virtually none of the Christ. If these two had done what the Bible - which is not a historical document - say they did - you would expect writings all around the known world - certainly the Greeks - who wrote about just about everything else - could not have ignored a person who fed a multitude with a few loaves and fishes. We have immense historical record of Ramses of Egypt - not a thing about moses. Nothing about the Passover.
Fish Eye no Miko wrote:For the record, I'm an atheist. But I find that people are moreLiz <ehu...@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:No - that is what is claimed - but there is absolutely no proof itGeorge Peatty <peattyg47-1...@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:I almost made this argument!
A man fed 5000 men (not counting women and children)of thin air.
with five small loaves of bread and two fish, and had
enough left over for twelve baskets of scraps ..
One of the laws of magic* states that you can't make
food out
However, you can increase food that is already there, and that
is what Jesus did.
did happen - since the Bible was written centuries after the
Christ supposedly died - it is, at best, heresay - and definitely
not proof of anything.
accepting of your point of view if you try to see theirs, too. I'm
merely arguing the points for a p.o.v. that a Christian can understand
and appreciate.
Catherine Johnson.
Actually there's a lot of documentaries on this subject. There was
something recently where they went to Petra and other areas to look
for evidence. They looked for caves and also Mt Sanai and said some
interesting things and found names of some people from that time but
you're right, I don't think they've ever found anything with Moses
name on it. They thought they found the walls of Jericho didn't they?
This is much like the people refering to a person as Jewish based on their name in the books.
They can actually find Mount Sinai, or Jericho, but that is still not proof that the bible is real. Lots of books include real locations in the books that are otherwise fiction. There INDEED IS a Kansas - but the Wizard of Oz is fictional. THere is indeed an England and a Scotland - and a London (And lots of other locations in the books) but the Harry Potter books are fiction. There are hills all over the globe - but Jack and Jill are fictional AND - there are fences all over the world - but Humpty Dumpty is also fiction.
Archeology is fascinating. Did you see the James Cameron documentary
"Exodus Decoded"?
You would think that the Christ - a GOD - would have at least had a scribe following him around recording his every word - however - we have no documents that even pretend to have been written concurrently to the time the Christ supposedly spoke them. There are certainly Gospels - written after the Christ died - but One would have to question the memory of those who wrote them. In most cases - the gospels themselves are partial quotes - edited from "Letters". So - in fact - the bible itself is called into question based on who edited them. IF any of these letters actually exist - where are they and why are they not public domain? (THey don't have to be released - they could be copied without damage - and released to the public.
You know I believe in God and Jesus Christ. However, I have to agree
with you. The scientific side of my brain always questions the bible
because it was 1) written by man 2) translated by man (and sometimes a
number of times and there's a number of versions) 3) there is a lot of
evidence that stories in the bible (most of them) have roots in many
other societies and were stories handed down long before some of the
books of the bible were written.
There were supposedly 12 apostles - why do we not have a record of all of their Gospels - or all of their letters? Is it possible - they do not agree on everything? After all - while hindsite may be 20/20 - the mind remembers what it wants to.Well, we do not know what has not been found yet... there is some
innuendo that the Vatican holds a number of things that do not go well
with written works. Of course, we the public will never know unless
we storm the Vatican.
Well - it is clear that at least some of the New Testament of the Bible is - at least according to the Catholic Church which wrote the New Testament - are "out of context" quotes from letters of some Apostles - among others. That would at least imply that the LETTERS were available when they wrote the Bible. Yet - I know lots of Christians who wouldn't give the Pope the time of day - and detest everything Catholic - but quote the Catholic produced Bible - and then deny their Bible is based on anything Catholic.
Fact is - even non-catholic Bibles are just translations of earlier Catholic Bibles - as is noted THe St. James Bible was both translated and "EDITED!!!!" - who gets to change what is supposedly GODS word?
THe Catholic church and the Orthodox Church are the depositories for the old documents on which the Bible is based for the most part. They certainly didn't allow the Excommunicated Protestants in to see them.
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