Re: Rest of Snape's Evidence
- From: Ron Hunter <rphunter@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 03:57:11 -0500
Richard Eney wrote:
In article <4fp9c31mn7n316ud8b24tuo76avg79vege@xxxxxxx>,
Sue H <dahoov2@xxxxxxx> wrote:
Okay, first I posted the actual evidence in which Snape was shown to<snips - honest, I do snip>
be fair/unfair, evil/good. There were a lot of mentions of him
throughout the rest of the books and all these references DID classify
him somehow I'll mention every case and will break it down in two
EVIDENCE SNAPE WAS UNFAIRLY JUDGED<snip>Rebuttal: Turns out though that Harry is mistaken; scar hurt
because Quirrell was next to him with V attached; Harry dislikes Snape
already and bases it on how he looks...
I'm not sure Harry thinks Snape is evil at that point, just that he
disliked his looks.
2) P 183 Harry sees Filch bandaging Snape's leg and hears him talking
about the three-headed . . . and Snape catches Harry and yells at him
to get out (obviously he could have gave him detention for being out
in the corridors at night but doesn't). Harry tells Ron and Hermione
that Snape must be the one who let the troll in and assumes he was
trying to steal whatever is under the floor.
Rebuttal: We do find out it was a wrong accusation.
Voldemort/Quirrel was the one who let the troll in and tried to steal
I also thought that Snape seemed embarrassed that a student saw
his leg injury; we learn much later that Snape may have some old
emotional trauma related to being exposed in any way. However,
Harry has also overheard something that Snape didn't intend Harry
to hear: a comment about a three-headed beast. Snape doesn't know that Harry already knows about Fluffy, and a good researcher
could find out about three-headed beasts in FBAWTFT and in the
library - though they'd still have to decide between the three-headed
snake and the three-headed dog of mythology.
5) P 141 Harry tells Hagrid about his first lessons and that Snape
Hates him. Rebuttal: There's nothing to prove Snape hates him at this point
it's all Harry's perception. As a matter of fact on this same page
Hagrid says "Rubbish; why should he?" And Harry notices Hagrid's eyes
seemed to purposely not meet his when he said that.
"Seemed to" - again, it's Harry's assumption, though at that point it's probably a correct observation. Hagrid knows or should know there is a reason why Snape would have a grudge against Harry.
9) P 221 Harry keeps running into Snape and wonders if he's following
him and has a horrible feeling Snape can read minds. Perceptive;
maybe he IS trying to read Harry's mind but it's of no matter; we
later learn that Snape is indeed watching Harry.... to protect him.
Snape is definitely reading Harry's mind whenever he gets a chance.
However, Harry has a tendency to not meet someone's eyes at crucial
moments, and Legilimency has its limits too. The surface of Harry's
mind is not always helpful.
14) P 266 Hagrid fesses up about the Hogshead dragon egg and the
stranger under the cloak and how interested he was in Fluffy and how
Hagrid let it slip music puts him out; and Harry surmises
automatically that either Voldemort or Snape is under the cloak.
We learn he's right partly; it's voldemort and Quirrell under the
cloak. NOT Snape. Another unfair projection Harry makes.
Also, just faintly possible, a deliberate hint by Hagrid to Harry about
how to get started on the puzzle, slipped into a discussion where
it would be actually relevant. Hagrid gave Harry a flute too,
which would have been a way for Harry to get past Fluffy.
SUMMARY: Snape incidents/mentions in this book all annotated here
above and the four pages below (stuff that means nothing). Harry and
his friends have managed to smear him 16 times unjustly without one
word of apology or repentance. Why? Just because he looks evil
Greasy and homely, since "evil" isn't a look until we see Voldemort's
disfigurements from losing his soul.
is tough in his classes. Really, when you look at every reference of
Snape he is over and over again harassed! Snape appears more the
victim than anything does he not?
I don't know about "harassed" in the first book. In CoS they do harass him a little in order to steal potion materials. In PS/SS he's
unjustly accused in the kids' minds but they don't actually do things
to him or disrupt his class deliberately IIRC.
MISCELLANEOUS SNAPE STUFF<snip>P 224 Snape spits bitterly on the ground as Gryffindor wins the match.
I see nothing about this but in case it means something to someone, I
don't want to be accused of leaving a SINGLE thing out. Snape in my
view was no different than anyone; he wanted his team to win.
Actually, that's another Snape-protecting-harry incident. One of the
old magics is to spit to protect a child from evil spirits when someone
gives the child a compliment, which attract evil spirits who always
want to steal the best. Dumbledore has just complimented Harry to his face; Snape spits as a magical act to protect Harry.
Of course this is the end of the comments about Snape. He and his
friend have accused snape (see above) no less than 16 times of stuff
he never did. NEVER. As shown in the other post, we learn Harry is
actually saved/watched over by Snape and Snape has not done one evil
deed at all. Not even really unfair!!!! And in the end, Harry still
believe he's evil and through Harry's perception, you, the audience
are dragged along.
My opinion after book one: Snape looks evil maybe, he may be
unpleasant and tough but he's definitely a good guy through and
through thus far. I feel very confident in my previous posts about
him. As a matter of fact, I still want to take him home and bathe
:-) Until JKR says different (and maybe even if she does), I maintain
that the grease is a protective potion. And anyway, there are cultures
that treat their hair with "oil baths" instead of using shampoo. Even
in the USA, there is a "hot oil treatment" that hairdressers are
trained to do, for certain scalp and hair conditions.
Yes, my wife gets them often to relax her hair. Perhaps he uses something to prevent damage to his hair by all the noxious fumes generated by novice potions brewers which he has to deal with for several hours each day. But I hardly see his hair as any significant indicator as to his personality, or loyalties.
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