Re: Dumbledore asked Snape to kill him

On Sat, 14 Apr 2007 17:47:17 -0500, drusilla
<gammanormids*erasethis*@gmail.com> wrote:

gjw escribió:
On Fri, 13 Apr 2007 12:19:47 BST, Blon Fel Fotch Passameer-Day
Slitheen <bffpds@raxacoricofallapatoria> wrote:

Green-Eyed Chris wrote:

GJW wrote:
Green-Eyed Chris wrote:
He could have said "Accio broomstick" and flown away.
Do we know whether or not Accio works without a wand?
At the very least, wands are not mentioned being used in the following
instances:
Moodycrouch does an "Accio Parchment!" with the Marauder's Map as Snape is
about to pick it up.
Flitwick collects over a hundred rolls of exam parchments with an "Accio".
Hermione cries "Accio wand!" to retrieve Harry's for him in the MoM.
Bellatrix thrice attempts an "Accio prophecy!".
Also, we do know from the books that wandless magic works, presumably
apart from the most difficult spells.

Actually, I'm not sure that we do. I think that to be on the safe
side, we have to assume that anytime a wizard works magic, he has a
wand with him, unless it is specifically stated that he does not have
a wand. Other than "accidental magic", based on bursts of emotion
(such as Harry removing the glass from the snake's cage at the zoo), I
can't recall an episode in which a character, described as wandless,
performed decent magic.

Well, we've seem few wandless magic, or as you say, with not explicit
mention of a wand. I google it, with two results:

- Similarly, he [Harry] has difficulty with wandless magic. However, in
Book 5, he achieves a successful wandless Lumos, implying that he is
improving. (via wiki: don't remember this)

The wiki writer confuses "non-verbal magic" with "wandless magic".
Harry and his fellow students are being taught non-verbal magic in
book 6. There is absolutely no mention of the term "wandless magic"
at all in the books.

The word "wandless" alone occurs only four times in all the books, and
each time it signified helplessness:

"White-faced and wandless, Lockhart approached the opening."

"Do you really think I cannot manage two wandless teenagers alone?"

"Dumbledore wandless, Dumbledore alone! Well done, Draco, well
done!"

"Snape closed in and looked down on him where he lay, wandless and
defenseless as Dumbledore had been."


As for the example, here's the text:

"'Where's ? wand ? come on ? lumos!'
He said the spell automatically, desperate for light to help him
n his search ? and to his disbelieving relief, light flared inches
from his right hand ? the wand tip had ignited. Harry snatched it up,
scrambled to his feet and turned around."

So this example isn't much: he makes his wand glow during an emotional
outburst, when the wand is only a few inches away from his hand.


- In Prisoner of Azkaban, he [Lupin] produced a handful of flames in his
bare hands, a possible show of wandless magic (wiki)

That is a good example of "non-verbal" magic (it specifically states
that no one spoke), but his wand isn't mentioned as being there or not
there...


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