Re: Dumbledore may be an idiot -
- From: "mueckelein" <mueckelein@xxxxxxxxx>
- Date: 1 Mar 2007 13:11:01 -0800
On 9 Jan., 10:00, "Frodo Baggins" <doufr...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
It is not only what is in these seven books. It is also what happened
before that. I had written about these before, but I will repeat here.
I am not sure if Dumbledore is aware of all the secrets that are a part
of Hogwarts, some of it may be hidden even from him for the founders
were perhaps as crafty and powerful as any of the modern day
magicians. If a few fourth years can come up with something akin to the
Marauders Map, I am sure Dumbledore can too. He could easily have
rigged up devices that told him exactly whenever some outsider enters
Hogwarts in "any" form and keep track of their movements (he would be
too gentlemanly to do it to students and staff except perhaps if they
are found to go outside the grounds without permission). This means
that he knew about Quirrelmort, Sirius and Peter, Moody-Crouch (though
he may have thought it was the father who was up to no good) and almost
all the goings on. From the time that Scabbers appeared, Hermione had
gotten hold of Crookshanks which was perhaps Dumbledore's way of
keeping track of Scabbers.
Dumbledore has visited many prisoners in Azkaban, was present at their
trials too. I find it quite incredible that he was not shown to have
visited someone like Sirius Black, for Sirius was a part of the Order,
during the period of his incarceration or later. He would also surely
have been present at the prisoner debriefing. Sirius would have told
him that Peter Pettigrew was alive and Dumbledore was surely armed with
that information ever since. Sirius would have also told him that Peter
was an animagi. It is quite inconveivable that Dumbledore neither knew
that Peter was alive or that he was at Hogwarts in the form of a rat.
Dumbldore surely knew that Voldemort was "not dead" after the first
battle. There was no body to be found, there was perhaps no wand. All
this would have made him suspect that Voldemort was defeated, but not
completely. It is quite certain that Dumbldore deduced that all the
Horcruxes needed to be found and destroyed for Voldemort's eventual
destruction and that until Horcruxes exist, Voldemort will rise again
and again to terrorise the world. For eg: There was no way to trap
Voldemort in his spirit form in PS, at least none that Dumbledore was
perhaps aware of. Slytherin's serpent was ancient magic by a magician
who was perhaps far more powerful than Dumbledore.
I do not think the story can end without an angle where Dumbledore is
shown to be "all knowing" who let these things happen for development
of Harry's character and for the eventual complete destruction of
Voldemort's powers. He had kept lots of information away from people
around him, eventually, this may prove to be detrimental. He thought he
would be around to see thru till the finish, I am sure he will be :)).
The only point I am not sure of is from what point did Dumbledore
suspect the extent of Voldemort's foray into Horcrux magic. If he did
so during the "first war", then he must have been at work all the
eleven years prior to PS in finding out about Horcruxes. If it happened
only in the second year, after seeing the Diary, then he could not have
suspected that Voldy could have been around in the first book, but
cetainly, from the end of the first year, he would have had protections
and detection devices around Hogwarts to prevent unauthorised entry.
I may have got it all wrong. JKR may just think that her fans are all
idiots and expect them to read bullet hole ridden plots and enjoy the
whole lot. If that is the case, from some point of the story buildup,
she has found herself out of her depth without knowing how to get back.
You mention Scabbers: He belonged to Percy before Ron got him and he
probably took him to Hogwarts. If Fred and George looked at the map
they should have noticed that Percy was often found near a person
called Peter Pettygrew - someone who was not in Gryffindor but
definately steadily in the Gryffindor common room. And suddenly this
Peter Pettigrew switches "friends" and is with Ron all the time. Harry
didn´t wonder either. Why didn´t they notice anything?
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