Re: Fred and George- antisocial personality disorder


Fish Eye no Miko wrote:
Karnak17 wrote:

<snipping to just deak with the scene in question>

Sirius Kase wrote:

Redecorating the Great Hall from Slytheran colors to Gryffindor
colors right there in front of the whole school. Being so dramatic
about it was rather nasty to the Slytherans, especially since they
weren't involved in Harry's adventure.

Is it customary when one team beats another at something for them
to be rewarded sneakily and in private so as not to make the other
guys feel bad? I think not.

Is it customary to say, "Hey, you guys won! Wait, no you didn't!
PSYCHE!" and grab the trophy away and hand it to the real
winners? Cuz that's basically what DD did.

"Real winners?"

I don't like the scene you are talking about either, but bottom
line, Gryffindor won and Slytherin lost,

Yes, and DD knew this before the Feast; yet he still waited till
the Feast, and until Slytherin thought they had won, to announce it.

I think that Hogwarts takes it way too far, but you can encourage
competitiveness and still believe in fair play.

Competitiveness is good. Jerking people around like DD did is not.

If Harry and friends were to be rewarded, it should have been
through another method. As it was, it improved Harry's status
in his own house at the cost of humiliating another house. There
are better ways of boosting someone's status (if that is desired)
that don't involve putting down another group.

Well, okay, but if losing fair and square at a silly House
competition is being "put down and humiliated"

Slytherin losing isn't the point. Being told they won, then
PUBLICLY having that win ripped out from under them, is.

as opposed to "losing a House competition", it is probably
for reasons which go beyond the competition itself. They
are too deep-seated for a Headmaster, or a Hat, to easily
do something about.

It is when he pulls crap like what he did in the first book.
Had Slytherin been the winners, do you think DD would have had the
Great Hall decked out in Gryffindor colors, then gone, "Whoops!
Sorry, guy, you lost, Slytherin won!" and have the colors change?

Since I essentially agree with you that this scene was creepy, I am not
going to argue too much.

Up to a point, I agree that DD acted badly, and publically displayed
favoritism towards his own House and towards Harry Potter. Up to a
point, I agree that this might cause some understandable resentment
from Slytherin, and might provoke anti-Slytherin behavior from other
Houses.

But at the end of the day, it still comes down to telling people who
have been winning for the last seven years that - "Hey, you lost this
time" and crowing a little. Big Fat Hairy Deal. Yes, he was wrong.
Gryffindor puts up with similar wrong behavior from Snape as a matter
of course. That is wrong too, but how hard am I supposed to cry about
it?

What is being asserted is that DD has been encouraging Gryffindors to
commit ATTEMPTED MURDER and to consider it to be OPEN SEASON ON
SLYTHERINS. In light of the kind and respectful treatment of Snape,
Draco, Phineas, Sluggie, and even TOM RIDDLE, which he has displayed in
front of Harry, I think that this is going a LITTLE too far.

Harry has certainly never needed DD to role model cruelty for him -- he
has plenty role models for that already. He was kept in a closet for
eleven years. I don't think that the biggest cause of his bad behavior
is that DD was a little too kind to him.

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