Re: Harry Potter : Is It Something That Christian Children Should Read and/or See?

drusilla wrote:
Thom Madura escribió:

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Nuki Mouse escribió:

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Nuki Mouse wrote:

I asked if she read or ever heard of these books before. Her answer was she
would never corrupt her soul to even read about them, and never heard of
them but could tell how vile and corrupt they were from their covers alone.
I replied that they were "Christian books" and that just infuriated her! She
screamed out things no true Christian or just good person ever should,
destroyed the books (trashcanned), and called me a flat out liar.



Oh, what a nice kind gentle and catholic behaviour she had, isn't?

The Narnia movie was not made to appeal to "Christians," it was made to make money due to the popularity of the books and the money being made by other live action movies based on children's books like HP. Over 100 million copies of the Narnia books have been sold, making it one of the most read series of children's books ever. My neighbor may never had heard of them (before the movie was made) but unless Russ Limbaugh or Pat Robinson tells her it is OK, she would never read a book anyway.



Rubbish! No one can tell me or my son what to read or not: not even the Pope. And, if he ever tells my kids can't read the HP books, then I will ban his new Cathecism as well!
(PAt Robinson is an idiot: I recently heard him in a TV show saying that all latinos who live in USA must forget their native language and learn English, as well USA authorities must no help them with Spanish document they might need, because English was better.)

Yet it was this lesser version (the movie) she now touts as a great Christian movie, over the much better and more profound books her kids borrowed to read, and she threw in the trash as "satanic".



Wait a minute.. I think I lost something... she threw your books to trash?! What a bitch! My books cost me a fortune: anyone who causes any damage might suffer the consequences!

The Narnia books are in fact quite subversive. A central idea that
keeps running through them is that there exists a higher Moral
Authority, with whom the individual has a direct and personal
relationship, and to whom he owes a loyalty that exceeds loyalty to
religious leaders, political leaders, or family members.



She has the Jesus fish on her car, a bumber sticker that says "What would Jesus do?" and will (and has) quite willing break any law SHE considers
anti-Christain. BTW that should read as HER version of Christianity.



Well, what would Jesus do? Mm... he said once that human law has nothing to do with our duty as catholic people.
I've met people who act according to what Jesus might do. When I remind them what Jesus actually did, and they realise it's the opposite to what they've been doing, you get the most weird and funny reactions. (Once I got even called a witch).

I've been double ostracized by her; first for giving her kids "satanic" books, then when she finally realized as an Irish-American I was also a Catholic. I'm now referred to as a "Papist Stoolie."

Of course me telling her that I didn't need to be "born again," because my parents got it right the first time didn't help any.



Ha Ha!

> Yep, despite all her "Christian Values," she has the most messed up family

on our street.



Many people in my neighbourhood is the same: they criticise me lot for the way I live my life - getting a child and being single - but they are quite more screwed up than myself. They call themselves soooo catholic but when see a person in need in the middle of the street, they pass by because it's late for Mass.

Nuki Mouse



People like your neighbour make we Catholics to look like nuts. Yep, I do believe in God, I am catholic; christened and made my confirmation., I also teach my son Christian values.
Yet, I don't tell other people what to do, nor I recite parts of the bible - except in some time when it's needed - but definitely I am not a nut. Or am I?
(Seriously, am I?)



I no longer believe in religion (And MY Father two brothers were Catholic Monsignors, my father went to the seminary himself briefly before they told him to go into medicine - and I was the church organist for 35 years - in Catholic schools - k-college - etc).


Well, in my book, as long as you are a nice person, you're invited to my parties.

I really object to the words - "Christian Values" as if Christians alone had a corner on doing things right. I reject people who pick and choose Bible Quotes to prove their points when they can just as easily be disproven with the bible. The bible itself is a work of fiction - only rewritten by the Catholic CHurch 17 times among others. My favorite Bible quote is "Let he who has not sinned cast the first stone" - shuts everybody up.


By Christian values I mean be nice to another, as you want other be nice with you. That's very much how I live my life. And thos values are the same in many religions as well: I just tried to make it short.
As for your favoruite quote is mine as well: it kinda summarise the whole bible, which indeed, must not be takes as seriously as the HP books :). Ok, it's what Catholics base our faith on, yet, a nun explained us in High School that that was a way of people to narrate their own stories about the creation of life and such in the way they saw it: so, you can really take seriously something that was written in the scientific mentality of the fourth century..


I believe that you will find those same "Values" written into the Jewish religion a couple thousand years earlier. See also the true Islam (Not the terrorists version) and Buddhism for reiteration. AS I remember very well - the way the nuns acted in school was a great deal less than "Christian" - I managed to get a broken arm from a nun who hit me with her thick metal ruler for answering a question CORRECTLY (It was from the next chapter - I ruined her "lesson" that no one read ahead).

Interesting that virtually all CHristians will quickly understand the word "Parables" as a fictional way of making a religious point. Now - look closely at the bible and try to tell what is and is not a parable. The fact is - the whole life of Jesus could be one. The Catholic church here just had a series of conferences to discuss why people are not attending church anymore. I was invited to go and went to two of them. I pointed out that if YOU believe that the Christ is Lord GOd - then Christ could not have died on the cross. Immortality is one of the major traits of a GOD - real GODS do not die. So - the CHrists life COULD be a story to make religious points. It is interesting to me that in the room, there were more than a few people who objected to me calling HIM "the Christ" - when the word Christ is Greek based and sort of means the annointed one. It is not his last name. Of course - his first name wasn;'t Jesus either - Jesus being Latin - not Hebrew.
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