Re: avada kedavra
- From: Toon <toon@xxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 03:54:44 -0500
On Fri, 23 Dec 2005 10:31:45 -0500, "Tim Peters" <tim.one@xxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
>[Troels Forchhammer]
>> ...
>> Lily did /not/ 'know anything about the possible effect of standing
>> in front of Harry' because 'it never happened before'. /Nobody/ had
>> any idea whatsoever, though the cleverest wizards probably had a the
>> knowledge that might have allowed them to infer the possibility.
>>
>> The thing that made it possible was the manner in which Lily was
>> given her choice; talent and knowledge nothing to do with it: Bertha
>> Jorkins or Myrtle could have done it, if they were able to make the
>> same choice in the same circumstances (and possibly feeling the same
>> way).
>
>Yet the diary Tom Riddle (in CoS) believed he grasped this all in an
>instant, and despite never learning that Lily was given a choice. After
>executing an elaborate plan to lure Harry into the chamber, Riddle reveals
>his intent:
>
> "To business, Harry," said Riddle, still smiling broadly.
> "Twice-- in /your/ past, in /my/ future --we have met. And
> twice I failed to kill you. HOW DID YOU SURVIVE? Tell me
> everything. The longer you talk," he added softly, "the longer
> you stay alive."
>
>Harry told him very little:
>
> "No one knows why you lost your powers when you attacked me,"
> said Harry abruptly.
>
>Let's ignore that this isn't responsive to the question Riddle asked ;-)
>
> "I don't know myself. But I know why you couldn't /kill/
> me," said Harry abruptly.
>
>Aha! The Big Reveal at last!
>
> "Because my mother died to save me."
>
>That's it. That's all Riddle ever learns from Harry: not a peep about Lily
>being given a choice, let alone about being given a choice in any particular
>way. The rest of Harry's speech is just trying to goad Riddle:
>
> "My common /Muggle-born/ mother," he added, shaking with
> suppressed rage. "She stopped you killing me. And I've
> seen the real you. I saw you last year. You're a wreck.
> You're barely alive. That's where all your power got you.
> You're in hiding. You're ugly, you're foul --".
>
>Riddle cut him off there.
>
> "So. Your mother died to save you."
>
>That's a fair paraphrase of "because my mother died to save me" <wink>, and
>the point is that Riddle doesn't show any sign of inferring more from that
>than it says at face value.
>
> "Yes, that's a powerful counter-charm. I can see now ...
> there is nothing special about you, after all.
> ...
> but, after all, it was merely a lucky chance that saved you
> from me. That's all I wanted to know."
>
>And at that point Riddle tries to kill Harry: they're alone, he believes
>Harry is at his mercy, there's no rush, but he doesn't ask more questions
>because he's completely satisfied with the seven words Harry gave. There
>appears no way around that the 16-year-old Riddle found the bare "because my
>mother died to save me" a thoroughly adequate explanation for how Harry
>survived a killing curse, and, indeed, _so_ adequate an explanation that it
>was obvious on first hearing.
>
>Young Tom pointedly did not go on to say anything like "Hold on! While the
>one thing I can't understand is love ;-), I know darned well that lots of
>mothers and fathers and siblings and friends have died to try to save
>others, and in all of known history that never worked. What was different
>in your case?". If the most brilliant student in Hogwarts history was
>satisified with "my mother died to save me" on its own, who is JKR to claim
>that there was a lot more to it than _just_ that ;-)?
>
Because he knows there's more to it. But who's he to tell? Over the
years, as he grew more and more dark, he forgot this little tidbit
until after his defeat. Like he said, he should have remembered it.
It's obviously a theory wizard shad, never put into practice till that
dark Hallowen night. Tom knows of the theory, and realized it does
work.
.
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