Re: Snape, DD, Sirius, and death

On 27 Jul 2005 13:12:50 -0700, keo8128 <kehoe.c@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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> Just curious, but if Snape killed Dumbledore so that he could stay on
> Voldemort's good side and continue to help the order (as so many people
> believe), how is he supposed to stay on the ORDER's good side now that
> he's killed their eldest and wisest? He can't be a double agent if he
> breaks ties with the side of good, and he can't coordinate with the
> Order if he can't show his face around them. He also can't feed them
> information. What good is he?

Right. Scenario: Snape comes back to talk to Harry. "Hey, how's it
going? Sorry about that tower thing, but I was working for the greater
good and all. You understand, old chap..."

I don't think Harry, or anyone else not in on a pre-known plan, would
respond real well to that. Harry didn't trust Snape before, he
certainly won't trust him now. So, who cound Snape have been working
with DD with on this plan? Would have had to been at least those two
and someone else. Who is high enough in the order to convince Harry?

> Also, to people who think DD is not really dead - I admire your
> optimism. I can even see how you might think that, since there has
> been tons of phoenix "rising-from-the-ashes" imagery surrounding DD.
> But seriously - do you think it would be a good thing for him to come
> back? Harry is on his own now, and that is how a true hero ends the
> story. He is the Chosen One, after all.

What were JKR's words about dead people staying dead, anyone have that
quote?

> The one thing that still confuses me is what happened to Sirius. If
> anyone were to rise from the dead, I would expect it to be him. There
> was so much ambiguity surrounding his death - there wasn't even a body!
> No killing curse, no flash of green light. Did anyone find more
> details about that thing that he fell into?

All we know is that the room was called the "death chamber". I
interpreted it as a relic of ancient wizarding days as a location for
public executions. Just a guess.

> I think THAT would be a
> more profitable line of discussion. I've seen people post that it was
> the gateway between the world of the living and that of the dead, but
> where did it say what would happen if you fell through it? Where did
> he go?

Well, he came from the world of the living, so the other side should be
the world of the dead. Whatever that means in the Potterverse.

> Keep in mind that while DD was truly a crutch for Harry, Sirius was
> less so. He was cooped up during all of OotP, and he was often
> reckless rather than wise. Having him back wouldn't lessen Harry's
> value as the hero. Perhaps his "death" was necessary to clear his name
> so that when he comes back he is free to be Harry's family and not be
> on the run.

> Any thoughts?

Yeah, I think Sirius is going to stay dead. I'm not convinced DD is,
though; why is his picture not animated in the usual dead-headmaster
fashion?

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