Re: Install Sata drivers
- From: nospam@xxxxxxxxxx (Paul)
- Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 09:50:01 GMT
In article <v0qns1l0ldjn3adh5t3rsdl5kv3hl2rc0n@xxxxxxx>,
miller.90@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
> On Mon, 16 Jan 2006 09:39:43 GMT, nospam@xxxxxxxxxx (Paul) wrote:
>
> >In article <JLIyf.76985$Dk.70040@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, "Mike"
> ><Mike@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >
> >> I hope this is not off topic, it is more of a software issue than
> >> a hardware one. I will soon be installing Windows xp on a A8N-SLI series
> >> board.
> >> I have heard that you must have a diskette on standby in order to load the
> >> sata
> >> drivers at the precise (F6 key ) moment. I don't have a diskette drive,
> >> I have not needed one in over 3 years now. I have heard of some other
method
> >> called (slipstreaming) If I understand that correctly, you must edit and
> >> reburn a
> >> copy of the windows xp install cd. And I have also heard that you can just
> >> use
> >> a windows xp SP2 cd, and not have to worry about any of the other options,
> >> beacause it already includes all the required sata, raid, etc drivers.
> >>
> >> I am not very informed on any of the above options, and would
> >> really like some comments from the group. Can you please
> >> help me to understand what I must do ? Thanks for your help.
> >>
> >> Mike
> >
> >Instructions for Nvidia with single drive:
> >
>
>http://groups.google.ca/group/alt.comp.periphs.mainboard.asus/browse_frm/thread/5badd5c8443e1d6/59e62c163167b0af
> >
> >Instructions for SIL3114.
>
>http://support.asus.com.tw/faq/faq_right_second_detail.aspx?kb_guid=26DD2EB9-5123-D37D-3BFA-55FDD2C38168&SLanguage=en-us
> >
> >There is a 6MB RAID manual from Nvidia here, but I don't see
> >any mention of it making SATA drives appear as PCI IDE for
> >the purposes of allowing WinXP to install without pressing F6.
>
> I guess I'm confused about this or at least about the terminology. I
> thought that the nVidia SATA connectors on nForce Ultra boards WERE
> connected via IDE -- i.e., there's no necessity for these drives to
> "appear" as IDE to XP Setup because they actually ARE IDE devices.
> They're Serial ATA, as opposed, to Parallel ATA, but they're still IDE
> devices, are they not? I realize that their connection to the nForce
> chipset is separate from the PATA IDE, but I thought that it was still
> considered IDE. Certainly, in Device Manager, the SATA and PATA
> controllers are listed under "IDE ATA/ATAPI controllers." As far as
> appearing as "PCI IDE" and the necessity of having SATA drives "appear
> as PCI IDE for the purposes of allowing WinXP to install," I'm
> confused by that because I thought that PCI and IDE were two different
> interfaces, running at very different speeds, and it's certainly not
> necessary for XP Setup to see an IDE drive connected via a PCI
> controller in order for installation to proceed.
>
> At any rate, it's well established that if one is installing XP on a
> non-RAID SATA drive connected to the nVidia controller, not only is a
> RAID (or SATA) driver not needed, but it should not be fed to XP Setup
> during installation.
>
> So, if Mike wants to install XP on a single drive, after disabling
> nVidia RAID in BIOS, setup will proceed without the necessity of
> feeding it an nVidia "SATA" driver. No F6 press is needed. (The SATA
> drivers are part of the nForce driver package that is installed AFTER
> XP is installed, and it includes an option of replacing the Microsoft
> IDE with nVidia IDE drivers (both SATA and Parallel ATA).)
>
> If Mike wants to install XP on a RAID array, he WILL need to provide
> RAID (not SATA) drivers to XP Setup. If there's no floppy, then I'm
> hoping that this could be done by directing XP Setup to look for them
> on an optical drive. Failing that, just go to the computer store,
> purchase a floppy for $9.95, and install it long enough to get the
> operating system installed. There's no need to even mount it -- just
> place it on a shoebox beside the opened case. I always pull the
> floppies out of old computers before recycling and just keep them on
> the shelf along with those old 16GB HDs.
> Autostreamer may allow one to slipstream the drivers using its
> "manually customize" option. I've never tried that, though. There
> are instructions for doing it manually:
> http://www.maximumpc.com/2005/01/how_to_slipstre.html
> http://greenmachine.msfnhosting.com/READING/addraid.htm
>
> Me, I just never build a PC without a floppy. What the hell does it
> hurt to put this little $10 lifesaver in? I can't understand the
> widespread objections to including one.
>
> >That is a problem with a lot of RAID manuals and documentation.
> >They don't explain whether the single drive capability supports
> >PCI IDE emulation, so an existing Windows driver can see the
> >drive, or you need to go the RAID route, where a floppy + driver
> >uses a JBOD mode to make the disk accessable.
> >
> >There have even been RAID chipset interfaces that didn't
> >have single drive support at all. (Since most of these hardware
> >implementations are "soft RAID", there really isn't a limitation
> >in the hardware preventing good things from happening. Either an
> >immature BIOS module for the hardware, or a lack of capability
> >in the chipset driver, is responsible for most of it. Intel
> >probably has the best implementation in this regard, with their
> >"compatible" BIOS option that allows a SATA disk to be accessed
> >as if it is an IDE - even old OSes can install on that. The fact
> >that Intel made that mode explicit and visible, will help users
> >get set up properly. The slicker "invisible" features of the
> >other chipsets, combined with inadequate manuals, makes it pretty
> >hard to answer your kind of question with any authority.
> >Frequently we have to rely on some user doing the experiment, to
> >get an answer.)
>
> Indeed, the Silicon Image RAID controller on the motherboard in
> question will not allow single-drive support without installing a RAID
> driver, and then creating a JBOD array for each single drive.
>
>
>
> Ron
I just tried again, to use the Microsoft KB, to seek clarification
on SATA support in Windows Service Packs and cannot find it.
I guess the staff at Microsoft don't think about the world
from a customer centric point of view.
I think the first posting here is a pretty good summary - it
does a better job of explaining it than I did:
http://www.viperlair.com/forums/printthread.php?t=2868
The only thing I would add to that, is not only does the 875
support native SATA mode (requiring SP1 or SP2 for WinXP),
but by using the "Compatible" mode, the SATA is emulated
as an ordinary IDE drive, to that point that an old OS like
Win98 can actually see and load a driver for it. The SATA
port on the 875 is either native SATA (appears to be sitting
on the PCI bus = PCI BAR plus offsets) or it is mapped to
the I/O space and uses IRQ 14 or 15, which was the traditional
way of implementing IDE.
Pg.11 here explains the extra function of the Intel ICH:
http://www.intel.com/design/chipsets/manuals/25267102.pdf
Sorry for my crappy explanation,
Paul
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