AAAAaaaarggghh... (was) Re: Board will not see SATA HD... .. .


"Paul" <nospam@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Jess Fertudei wrote:
Soyo Dragon2 KT880 Motherboard, Socket A, W/ WinXP SP3 that I referred to
in my last post. My intentions are to let Acronis clone my current IDE
drive to SATA after which I'll boot to the SATA and remove the IDE HD.

I looked to see if BIOS supports LBA and it does. Also, as Paul
suggested, I read up just a little on the VIA 8237 issue. Therefore when
I installed a Samsung Spinpoint F3 500G SATA, I did jumper it for 150.

I cannot get the board to see this drive. Not just windows, the board is
not recognizing it. I checked in the SOYOCombo and enabled SATA on
SATA1&2 and when I rebooted, for some reason it 'found' my IDE CD and DVD
drives that already worked just fine. The SATA drive is not showing in
BIOS nor during POST.

I have also swapped cables and connectors thinking it might be a physical
electrical thing.

What am I not doing?

Thanks as usual... .. .

There are some SATA interfaces in the past, where the BIOS code
module won't "recognize" drives, until two drives are present.
That concept, is termed a "pure RAID" BIOS module, because the
BIOS won't examine the drives, unless there is the potential
to run them RAID 0 or RAID 1. It is a BIOS limitation. The
hardware, on the other hand, knows nothing about such a
restriction. With properly written code, the ports are
independent of one another.

The reason it "found" your other drives again, is you probably
switched the enumeration of the chipset interface when you made
the setting change. That caused Windows to find a new driver, to
handle the change. In some cases, the computer can fail
to boot, after you make such a change.

I wasn't able to find a manual, but your board seems to have the
following facilities. One review mentioned connecting 12 drives
total.

VT8237 ------- IDE (two drives)
------- IDE (two drives)
------- SATA
------- SATA

M5281 ------- IDE (two drives)
------- IDE (two drives)
------- SATA
------- SATA

The ALI M5281 might be pure RAID. I can't be certain. The
ALI chip might insist on two drives being connected,
before the BIOS detects it. (Like two SATA drives.) And
you'd likely have to press some key combination alt-???
to access the ALI RAID setup screen.

The VIA VT8237 has come in both "pure RAID" and flexible
RAID/IDE implementations. VIA eventually did a better job
on their BIOS firmware. I seem to remember some
early VT8237, insisting on two drives. My VT8237S on
my last Asrock board, was very flexible, and didn't cause
problems like that.

If you're getting tired of fighting with it, you can
always try an IDE to SATA adapter. I keep one of these
handy, for connecting SATA drives to older IDE cables.
I've even used this adapter, inside a USB to IDE 5.25"
drive housing, so I could use a SATA drive in my older
enclosure.

http://www.startech.com/item/IDE2SAT-25in-and-35in-40-Pin-Male-IDE-to-SATA-Adapter-Converter.aspx

The SATA side of the adapter, easily plugs in. The jumper
on there, selects between master and slave. That allows
you to use two of these adapters, on the same IDE cable.
Not all adapters like this, do that.

http://ca.startech.com/media/products/ide2sat/Large/IDE2SAT.Alarge.jpg

You plug the IDE ribbon cable, into the motherboard IDE cable,
in either the Master or Slave position (as determined by
the normal filling rules for IDE cables). The ribbon cable
is hard to get off later, and you have to be careful
not to bend the pins on the adapter.

http://ca.startech.com/media/products/ide2sat/Large/IDE2SAT.Dlarge.jpg

The power adapter cable, provides power to the 15 pin
SATA power connector on the other side of the adapter. Since
it has both a male and a female connector, for a "daisy chain"
power connection, it won't use up any more power supply connectors
than you're currently using.

Be careful when buying those adapters, as there are many
different styles. Some are SATA to IDE and some are IDE to
SATA. Some have restrictions, such that you end up only
being able to use one drive on an IDE cable. For the one
I got, so far I haven't identified any shortcomings. It just
works. The conversion chip on it, is Marvell 88SA8040.

Paul

I have tried every combination I can come up with as far as the on-board
SATA goes. Even tried putting two identical 500G as RAID and can't get the
board to play. Finally went to the local shop and bought a Rosewill RC-212
PCI SATA card that worked, but... after I let Acronis take forever to clone
the 120G to it, it runs slow. I mean, as a boot drive this card runs it so
slow that the OS (XP) is almost inoperable. <SIGH> I wanted this done this
weekend.

If I order one of these adapters you used... is it fast enough for XP to run
on? I mean, at least basic IDE speeds? I can get one delivered pretty quick,
but I don't want something that's slower than what I had... I'll order an
IDE drive for a few bucks more and chalk it up.

Thanks... .. .














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