Re: New build freezes


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On Dec 26, 11:30 am, "Ron AF Greve" <me@localhost> wrote:
I thought it was the mobo too since it seemed I excluded all other
things.
That's why I replaced the Gigabyte board with the asus one. After
rebuilding
it I was sure the freeze was gone (so I thought) until I started oblivion
it
frooze after a minute or so. It has run longer than it has before without
that second stick.

You keep replacing parts on speculation. IOW you don't know what
the problem is, so you replace parts - called shotgunning.
Professionals who shotgun quickly find themselves unemployed.
Yes, but I don not work in a service center with all the measuring equipment
(at least not anymore :-) ).
The only thing I got today is a analog multimeter. I did test the 5 and 12 V
with it. But like the onscreen display there was nothing odd about the
voltages.

Others posted classic answers based only on "we did this and for
some strange reason the failure stops". Now stop replacing things.
First discover what is wrong. For example, you had voltages from a
voltage monitor. But since you did not post those numbers, then the
few who actually know this stuff stayed silent.
The voltages are less than 20mV of there optimal values (like 11.98 for the
12V) . Although I don't know the exact spec that is unlikely to be a
problem. The only thing I don't know is the the accuracy of the onboard
monitor.

That motherboard monitor must first be calibrated with a 3.5 digit
multimeter. And voltages are best measured only with a maximum load.
In your case, critically important VDC numbers are on the gray, green,
and purple wire both before and when power switch is pressed. And
then on any one of orange, yellow, and red wires when system is
operating. Those numbers are chock full of information you will not
learn about until posting them.

A power supply is like a house foundation. Everything else that is
good may act badly if the foundation is crumbling. Until you have
established a power supply 'system' (yes more than just a power
supply) as definitively good, then all other testing (or shotgunning)
becomes counter productive.

Also important are other facts - long before fixing anything - such
as the system (event) logs where Windows sees a problem, records it,
then works around it. What did those logs report?
No, I checked the logs, nothing visible there unfortunaly (the only I could
find is that it complains it can't start the printer driver (I haven't got a
printer attached anyway).

More responsible computer manufacturers provide comprehensive
hardware diagnostics for free just for your problem. You don't have
those free diagnostics. So get diagnostics from each component
manufacturer or from third parties. The actual hardware that can
cause your failure is limited to CPU, some motherboard functions,
memory, sound card, video controller, and obviously the entire power
supply 'system'. Until a supply 'system' is confirmed - without doubt
using a multimeter - then other suspect can only remain suspected.

Other useful tools and concepts may be discussed after supply
'system' numbers are provided.

Theoratically you are right. Practically I would have to buy a digital
multimeter with logging capabilities. I don't know how much these cost
today, but I know when I worked for a service center of measuring equipment
the price tag for that came near the system I build. So you are right
theoratically but going that way is just not an option for me.

Regards, Ron


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