Re: Do You Defrag?

PS... FAT16 wasn't released until 1987...

So unless you know how to code or program FAT12 then I am sorry your
crediblity along with your pride just went out the window...

Good Luck explaining how you used FAT12...

-Randy

Randella wrote:
Ok so 2006 - 25 = 1981...

That is prior to FAT unless you had a computer programmed by Bill Gates
himself. Nice try...

FYI, Yes FAT has been around since 1977, that is when Bill Gates first
started programming with it, but it wasn't released until 1980 and it
only worked on particular systems... Try 1984/5 for a US release date
by IBM and still not widely used at that time either...

And I agree with you that the MBR is outside the OS. But so is the
file system. You don't need an OS to have a file system in place.

See where you are loosing grip is right there, NTFS is a File system
not an OS. NTFS writes it's own FAT in as the MBR. Thereby producing
the NTFS file system and structure.

And if you don't believe me, try and prove me wrong... Where are your
articles? Where is the proof? This should be easy with your decades of
experience.

Also if NTFS is not FAT based then why does NTFS have the 4 Primary
Partition limitation that FAT has? That is determined by the MBR.
Unix has no such limitation.

Source code? You have the source code for NTFS? You my friend have
something no one else in the world has... I'm sure Microsoft would be
thrilled to hear about how you got it.

Your pulling on strings that aren't there with the Vista stuff...

I was responding to your comment about Disk Defragmenting being
non-essential. How essential is gas in your car? Well you could
always use 100% ethanol, or make your own gas substitute, sure. But
your car was built to run on gas and as such The Windows operating
systems were built to be defragmented from time to time.

The proof is in the article and the source.

Mine are all current and from Microsoft or other reliable sources,
where are yours from again?

-Randy



Mxsmanic wrote:
Randella writes:

So let me ask you a few questions Grandpa...(a few decades would make
you about 60-80 years old in compairison, if you have been doing this
since I was a child, as you claim).

What file system has been around for decades that you have been
backing-up?

FAT (25 years old), NTFS (11 years old), various proprietary file
systems.

Where is the Microsoft MBR in UNIX?

Neither UNIX nor Windows has the notion of an MBR. The MBR is outside
the OS. The master boot record, as its name implies, is used
independently of the OS, _before_ the OS is booted.

Also if NTFS uses a FAT or a File Allocation Table as I have indicated
above, how is it not FAT based?

Believe it or not, there are other ways of tracking allocated space
that have no connection at all to FAT.

NTFS doesn't have a FAT.

I gave you the articles above to show you side by side compairisons
direct from Microsoft of the 2 file systems. I also gave you links to
somewhat modern references to educate you on the file systems and
defragmenting.

I've generally relied on the source code, and on some documents that
are either out of print or not published.

Why would that be in a microsoft article about NTFS and Windows 2000
Server on microsoft's website if it wasn't essential?

Microsoft talks about Vista on its Web site, but that doesn't make
Vista essential.

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