Re: Bad sectors... how bad?

Pdigmking wrote:

David Maynard <nospam@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in
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No, you don't. Just load SP2, which includes all updates prior to
SP2's release, and then the remaining post SP2 updates after that.

And since your CD is apparently pre-SP2 you should download the 'redistribution' version (huge file) and keep it on CD so you don't
have to redownload if you need to install XP again (or make yourself
an SP2 slip streamed XP CD).



I guess I should be more precise. When I say I run all the upgrades, I'm only talking about the disks, I don't have to laod 98, then downlaod the upgrades for that... then load XP.. download those... and so on.

Someone said that I don't have to load the previous versions, this is just not true. Believe me, I've tried. The only original load OS disk I have is a Win 95. All the others are upgrade disks, and they won't work unless the previous version is installed. They look for previous versions, and if they don't see it, they won't load.

Not quite. The O.S. being upgraded does not have to be 'installed' as the upgrade CD will accept you putting on the 'original' full O.S. CD to check.

Unfortunately, for you, there is no direct upgrade path from Win95 to XP so you'd have to first install Win98, using the 'original O.S.' Win95 CD for it to check (not install), since the win98 'upgrade' CD won't do as an original O.S. check for XP.


I tried loading SP2 but it looked for an existing XP and wouldn't load. 

Well, of course SP2 for XP isn't going to install on anything but XP.

As long as I'm on the subject this is one of my biggest complaints about MS. First hey sell you a defective OS's for $75-$100 (by defective I mean full of security holes, instability etc.). Then, they start selling
updgrades devective upgrades for the same price. They want $200.00 for a non upgrade program disk. You pay $100.00 for the upgrade, it's defective so you have to download patches the day you load it.

Hate to tell you this but what you call 'defective' is simply life in the computer O.S. world, or any software for that matter. Go ahead and install Linux, if you like, and then check for the gazillion security updates/patches/fixes for it as well.

And it has always been that way regardless of what computer or O.S.

Actually, it used to be much worse because the 'fixes' routinely broke what already worked.


If you started all this (like I did) back with DOS, you've spent $600.00 just to have an operating system (to be fair, DOS and win 3.11 were very stable). You pay $100 for an upgrade, and then you have to go out get the patches for it, this is no small inconvenience. When I built my mother in laws machine, it literally ten hour to get the OS loaded because she has a dial up connection. Sure, the patches are free, but if you don't have high speed internet your looking at hours of downlaod time. Yes I know you can have the upgrades run in the background but my mother in law was leaving for Panama in two days and I wanted to have as patched up as possible before she left because I have no idea what kind of ISP and internet environment she'll have to deal with down there.

You're doing it the hard way. As I mentioned in my previous post, SP2, as well as all the other patches, are available in 'redistribution' (meaning full) versions that you can download and save off to a CD, or whatever you like, so that you needn't download them again to 'update' a new install.

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=049c9dbe-3b8e-4f30-8245-9e368d3cdb5a&displaylang=en

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/Popular.aspx?displaylang=en&categoryid=7

Then comes along this lame antitrust settlement that allows MS to continue to sell defective OS's followed by upgrades. Here's what I would have liked to see:

You're complaining about 'reality' and there is no law that can make people omniscient nor infallible. Software of any significant complexity contains bugs and software written to fix bugs will contain bugs. And it will always be that way was long as there are human beings involved.


No more upgrade only CDs. Every CD should be a complete OS CD with upgrade options. 

Simple to solve all by your own little lonesome: don't buy upgrade CDs.

I think the only difference between the $200 XP disk and the $100 upgrade is that the upgrade looks for previous installs.

Yep. They give you an break on a new O.S. if you've previously bought one. Nice of them, don't you think?

Basically you're gaming the system by perpetually buying 'upgrade' CDs and then complaining they don't make it even easier for you to avoid buying the O.S.

No MS OS should cost more than $100 from now on.

Well, while we're going to dictate prices why not declare that no car shall cost more than 1,000 dollars and TV sets shall be 20 bucks?

MS should be required to release patches, 

They do.

in CD form, for free, 

CDs cost money. Shipping costs money.

But you can order a SP2 CD for free, plus shipping and handling.

every six months.

So when a vulnerability is found you want to remain vulnerable for 6 months, eh?

With the exception of your arbitrary '6 months' time table they already do essentially that with the service pack releases.

No one with a dial up should have to sit around for six hours with a vulnerable OS waiting for all the patches to download and install on your brand new $100 operating system! The background option is fine for weekly maintaince, but after six months, your usually looking multiple and large patches and program updates. 

Order the CD.

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/downloads/updates/sp2/cdorder/en_us/default.mspx


That's what I say!

Paul. 

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