Re: random shut-downs
- From: "ed jurewicz" <ejurewicz@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 17:15:27 -0500
"JAD" <kapasitor@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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>
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> That's an ugly experience in regards to HD failures in a short time. I
> would
> be monitoring the voltage outputs from the PSU. Were the failures do to
> surface deterioration or was it power/circuitboard failure?
>
> >
\It certainly was frustrating. Actually the first Hitachi never made it into
the machine. The sata connector fell off the drive as soon as I hooked it up
to the drive cable. The second one got into the machine but never formatted.
I used the instruction in the Hitachi manual with no success then I tried
formatting in XP first as a sytem drive for a clean install. Then as an
additional storage drive. Whenever I tried to format, the drive would
freeze-up and not complete formating or (in the case of the Hitachi
instructions) it would indicate a completed format but not record data
afterwards. I finally returned the drive to Compusa and attempted to rebuild
the original configuration with Maxtor IDE drive as video storage and the WD
SATA as system. After doing a clean install of XP on the wd drive, the
system began freezing up and take a long time to boot-up or shut down. I
junked the Maxtor after testing and discovered errors. At the time I simply
attributed it to use or the result of the freezes and shutdowns incurred
during the attempts to format the Hitachi. I replaced it with the WD IDE and
it has been working without prolems for about a month.
What should I be looking for re the psu and where should I monitor it? And
what values am I looking for. Beyond uninstalling and installing, I have
little familiarity with psus.
I am beginninng to think that the problem might be the ups and will soon
take it out of the loop and see what that does. The problem, though, is that
as I have already stated these shutdowns are very infrequent and seldom do
they occur within a few days of each other. More often than not several
months will pass in between individual shutdowns. And generally after such a
shutdown, I power back up and the machine runs without problem. To date it
has created no serious problems but when you are trying over a period of
months to finish up a 350 page disseration with extensive use of graphs and
tables it can be annoying.
Once again thank for your assistance
ed
"JAD" <kapasitor@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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> "ed jurewicz" <ejurewicz@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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>> The only items reysed from the old system were the Crucial memory and the
> WD
>> video harddrive.I also recyled the Conexant ups.
>
> UPS can cause these seemingly Power Anomalies. I would remove it for
> awhile.
> Memory can cause 'reboots', full shut down? not so much, but a check or
> reduction in the number of modules may help in isolating problems.
>
> Is the WD video drive on the secondary or slaved on the primary?
>
> The SATA drive is brand new and installed when I rebuilt the computer
> from
> scratch.
> I did have some > harddrive problems recently associated with a new
> install.
> I tried
>> installing a new 250G Hitachi for video storage. The first drive never
> made
>> it into action as the sata connector split from the drive as soon as I
> tried
>> connecting it. I then returned the drive for new one and could not get
>> the
>> replacement drive formated. Immediately after chucking the Hitachi
>> altogether, an IDE Maxtor that I was using for video crashed. I replaced
> it
>> with the wd 90g IDE drive currently in use. The 90g has been in the box
> for
>> the past month. I formatted immediately upon installing.
>> Thanx for the response
>
> That's an ugly experience in regards to HD failures in a short time. I
> would
> be monitoring the voltage outputs from the PSU. Were the failures do to
> surface deterioration or was it power/circuitboard failure?
>
>>
>> ed
>> "JAD" <kapasitor@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
>> news:%CjUe.28841$ih4.25407@xxxxxxxxxxx
>> >
>> > "ed jurewicz" <ejurewicz@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
>> > news:rMydnfTR_epiM7zeRVn-pA@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> >> Thanx for the fast response.
>> >>
>> >> The shutdowns do not seem to be associated with any particular
> programs.
>> >> They actually will happen sitting idled on the xp screen. In the
>> >> latest
>> >> shutdown which happened this morning, it occurred while I was reading
>> >> in outlook. I did get one error message listed which referred to
>> >> "dmboot".
>> >> When clicking on details it stated "failed to start volume2(d:)". When
> I
>> >> clicked on the MS link there were no other explanations listed. I have
>> >> checked this volume for errors just recently and have defragged it.
>> >
>> > It seems that maybe the HD's maybe having problems. Are these(Is this)
> HD
>> > newly formatted?
>> > Did you drop a HD from a prior system, with OS installed, into a
> different
>> > box with different MB and chipset?
>> >
>> >>
>> >> I have not tried running the video card at AGP4x yet. Just to note
>> >> this
>> > also
>> >> occcurred in the earlier a7nx-e system which had an agp ATI 8500
> running.
>> >> The xp installation was a full install from a disk containing xp w
>> >> service
>> >> pack 2. And I have upgraded all system drivers to the latest.
>> >
>> > Is there anything that was used from the a7nx system that is currently
> in
>> > the new system?(other than video)
>> >
>> >>
>> >> In addition, when I restart the computer after a shutdown, the machine
>> > tends
>> >> to run fine with no apparant problems and it can be several months
> before
>> >> the next shutdown. I generally turn the computer on between 6 and 7am
> and
>> >> run it into the evening shutting it down anywhere between 8pm and 1am.
>> >>
>> >> Once again thanx for the response
>> >>
>> >> ed
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> "spodosaurus" <spodosaurus@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
>> >> news:4321915f@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> >> > ed jurewicz wrote:
>> >> >> I have been having an intermittant shut-down problem for some time.
> I
>> >> >> have an Asus a8n-e motherboard w a leadtek 6600gt video card, one
> wd
>> >> >> sata 160g system drive, one wd ide 90g drive for video storage, an
>> > amd64
>> >> >> 3000, 1g crucial memory, 100mg zip drive, plextor 712a sata dvd
>> >> >> running
>> >> >> winxp sp2. On rare occasions (sometimes three or four months
>> >> >> between
>> >> >> instances) the sytsem will shutdown spontaneously. When this
> happens,
>> > i
>> >> >> lose all power to the system and immediately after shutting down
>> >> >> the
>
>> > ups
>> >> >> warning light and alarm kick-in. Upon rebooting the computer
> functions
>> >> >> with no apparant problems.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> This does not appear to be associated with temprature and when I
>> >> >> reboot
>> >> >> system temps generally are in the 40 degree range. Also in recent
>> > months
>> >> >> I have replaced just about everything on the computer including the
>> > power
>> >> >> supply. I went from the antec 400w power supply supplied with the
>> >> >> original case to a truepower 430.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Actually the only components still remaining in the system from the
>> >> >> original a7nx-e
>> >> >
>> >> > What applications do these shut downs normally happen with? Have you
>> > tried
>> >> > running the video card at AGP4x rather than AGP8x?
>> >> >
>> >> >> build are the ram, the computer case and the ups backup--a
> conexant.
>> >> >> Also went from win 2000 to xp with the new build.
>> >> >
>> >> > Fresh install or upgrade? Not as important here as it would be if
>> >> > you
>> > went
>> >> > from a 9x version of windows to XP, but something I'm curious about.
>> >> >
>> >> >> I have checked the ram with memtest several times with no reported
>> >> >> problems. I have attempted to contact conexant via e-mail on
>> >> >> several
>> >> >> occasions but have never received any form of response from them.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Any assistance in diagnosing this problem would be greatly
>> >> >> appreciated.
>> >> >
>> >> > What does the event viewer say after one of these reboots?
>> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >> ed
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > --
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>> >> > bone
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>> >>
>> >>
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