Re: Found A Trojan!

Art wrote: 
On Mon, 05 Sep 2005 08:45:33 -0400, kurt wismer <kurtw@xxxxxxxxxxxx>

there are no perfect preventative measures - detection of preventative failures and recovery from them will always have to be part of the equation... they can be minimized, but never eliminated...

So what? Many of us never take hits. Prevention is no big mystery.
Anyone who is really interested can learn to be spyware and malware
free. You don't have to be a guru.

that's not the point... you're saying that by using proper preventative measures a person will never have cause to take restorative measures and that's just wrong...

Not true. I never said or even implied such nonsense. 

your words were:
"Another factor in my
disinterest in emergency utils is that there's no reason that users
who have just a little clue should ever take malware/spyware hits."

that pretty clearly implies that people should be able to prevent malware in all cases if they do the right set of things...

just because you've never taken a hit yet doesn't mean you never will or that other people taking the same measures as you never will... it would be nice if we could prevent everything, but that just isn't the case... 

That seems so obvious, I don't understand why you feel compelled to
say it.

I've spelled out my philososphy many times on the lists. I'm a strong
proponent of hardnening the OS and using alternate internet apps. What
annoys me is advice to simply use some av and firewall. That's what
too often implies your "perfect security" kind of horsecrap. We see
people on the lists all the time who use av and firewall and take
hits.

hardening the OS and using alternative internet apps are just other forms of prevention... prevention is important and i don't disagree, but it is not the end of security, it is only the beginning...

you have clearly indicated that if people know what they're doing they should never take malware hits and therefore never need to follow recovery procedures - that implies that the preventative measures they employ never fail and are therefore perfect... i'm just pointing out the fallacy in that - no matter how good your preventative measures are, no matter how much of a clue you have or put to good use, there will always be reasons for people to use "emergency utils"...

--
"they threw a rope around yer neck to watch you dance the jig of death
then left ya for the starvin' crows, hoverin' like hungry whores
one flew down plucked out yer eye, the other he had in his sights
ya snarled at him, said leave me be - i need the bugger so i can see"
.

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