Re: Looking for my ideal grinder.
- From: "Bill (Adopt)" <adopt@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2006 05:26:35 +0000 (GMT)
In article <1164914598.775585.242990@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
Deggy <dangrayorg@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I'm looking for my ideal grinder and was wondering if anyone on
alt.coffee could point me in the right direction. I just took delivery
of an Iberital MC2 to replace my Solis starter grinder. The Iberital is
a great quality machine and it's build quality, weight and looks really
The grind was also absolutely excellent and the few shots
I pulled showed a glimpse of espresso heaven with a nice
bronze/gold/brown crema flowing.
Now /that/ - the quality of the grind and the espresso it
produces - is the most important thing! :))
There may be those (I guess I be one after only a short
while), who'd say that is the /only/ thing..
What kills me about the grinder though is the fact that it has a
horizontal platform onto which grinds fall and when enough have build
up they are forced out into the doser, and as a result the amount of
wasted coffee makes it totally unsuitable for domestic use, in the one
or two shot a day scenario i'll just waste a ton of coffee and be
constantly cleaning it. This design seems completely nonsensical to me
as well, it would be so easy to have a 45 degree incline into the doser
from the 'drop' out of the burrs and waste would be zero with a
Apart from a vertical drop-through - expensive? rare?
toy? just about all grinders seem to share the same
awkward design 'features'...
So the Ibertial is going back, no good for the home.
Might be a bit drastic! ..especially as you very wisely
like the actual espresso heaven that you've discovered.. :))
I have (mentioned elsewhere) a Cunill CT1 (commercial type)
grinder which I rather suspect is very much like your Iberital.
If they are similar, then the chute from the grinding chamber
does seem to pack up to a couple of grammes of grind before
they splurge into the doser.
...after using the CT1 for only a very short while, I
discovered that this is not the difficulty that I first
thought. Two reasons:
...grinding for one or two doses daily (around a minimal
14/18gm), I use a cheap child's (non-toxic!) paintbrush
to scoop out the chute. Having brushed out the chute,
a quick couple of a second 'blow' on the motor - and
anything that's been pushed back into the chamber is
blasted back out into the doser.
...at the end of each day's use in a commercial environment
I would think it good practice to give the shute and doser
a quick brush down so that stale grind isn't left festering
Unfortunately this is a housekeeping chore that applies
daily, whether you're grinding 14/18gm or several hundred
gramme. The amount of grind that remains to age
ungracefully is the same in each case.
Result ..no real way to avoid the labour - or the time
spent cleaning up your equipment.. It's the same, no matter
the daily useage of your machines..
Which leaves me using the Solis for now, because if has a sensible
design for a low-use grinder. A inclined delivery into the hopper and
so no waste although compered with the Ibertial it's grind is terrible
for espresso and now i've had a taste of something better!
Does anyone know of a grinder up there with the Ibertial/MDF/Rocky
that has a sensible design for the home user, probably with _direct_
drop into a hopper or portafilter.
The Kitchenaid looks good but I hear
bad things about production models performance on espresso
The Kitchenaid, (if it's the pretty little thing I'm
thinking of), grinds - but only up to a gross point!
There's not a whole lot of adjustment - and I guess
nothing like the fine adjustment possible with your
Stand the two alongside each other and I think I can
easily guess the one you'll consider the 'toy'...
And the doserless models all have the same basic flaw, there's no
doser for grounds to go stale in but that horizontal plate onto which
the grinds fall is still there and harder to clean as a delivery chute
will stop access with a brush.
Dunno whether this is the same as your Iberital but,
for the CT1, I take the plastic lid off the doser and
the chute is immediately visible and wholly accessible.
This does facilitate brushing out to get the full amount
of measured grind into the doser - also keeping both clear
and clean at the end of the daily use...
Please, I need a new grinder and some advice.
...are you sure? :)) .."espresso heaven"..? ;))
You could buy a commercial type Cunill CT-1, cheap
either refurbed or even new ..(honestly, it's not
that big with the interchangeable Tranguilo flatter
hopper, a little less than the size of a Kenwood Chef
...about the same size as a Gaggia Coffee or Classic
...(although compared to my original little Hitachi
lightweight, it appeared huge for the first couple
of days after it arrived)!
At least it will last for decades in domestic use -
and will continue to produce top quality grind no
matter how cheap or expensive the rest of your espresso
facilities become. Upgrading the grinder will no
longer be seem as immediately important...
For the moment, keep your Iberital.. You've said it all
...espresso heaven! What more do you want? ;))
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- Looking for my ideal grinder.
- From: Deggy
- Looking for my ideal grinder.