Re: Re-using old non-GPS phones verboten

Can you still be tracked on a non GPS phone any way? Can the carrier track
and see what tower your phone is connected or transmitting from even if you
are not using the phone and have it turned on ? I know it is a lot better to
track some one via GPS, but still some one should be able to be tracked with
a non GPS phone it just might take a bit longer?????


"Isaiah Beard" <sacredpoet@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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> George Hein wrote:
>> My recent GPS phones are dead, Verizon refuses to allow older non-GPS
>> phones (3-4yrs old motorolas) back on network. Their excuse: FCC
>> regulations. TRUE?
>
> Yes, true. The FCC has mandated that 95% of ALL handsets on Verizon (not
> just new handsets, ALL handsets) have GPS location capability by December
> 31, 2005. A requirement is already in effect that 100% of new handsets
> have the capability.
>
> The requirement is because the FCC (and various consumer and lobbying
> groups) wants the capability there to be able to locate people when they
> call 911 fom their cell phones. Personally, if someone wants to Darwinize
> themselves and stick to a phone that doesn't have this capability, it
> should be their own damned fault when they come to a situation where they
> must call 911, and not get help because they don't know where they are or
> are unable to direct help to their location.
>
> However, the mandate was passed down with the idea that people are idiots,
> and are litigious idiots at that.
>
>> They have lied to me before. If true, did Verizon fight this ruling -
>> (do they not make "payoff"s to congress?).
>
> This isn't a congressional mandate, it's an FCC mandate. And actually,
> Verizon and other cell phone carriers have worked at delaying
> implementation for a long time now, but you can only delay for so long.
>
> Verizon has complained in their latest report on the matter to the FCC
> that they are hitting a brick wall with users who don't want to upgrade.
>
> See: http://tinyurl.com/98znx (adobe acrobat reader required)
>
> If you absolutely do not want a phone with GPS capability, then you can go
> to T-Mobile or Cingular, which do not require you to have a GPS enabled
> phone (and currently sell none). However they too are bound by the FCC
> 911 mandate, and so they developed a system within their network that
> doesn't NEED GPS capability in the phone: it knows your position just fine
> by triangulating your signal, thank you very much. So unlike the current
> CDMA handsets with GPS that you can turn option off if you want except for
> 911 calls, the system on the GSM networks is always on, whether you want
> it to be or not.
>
>
>
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