Re: the "Family SURPRISE plan"


"John Navas" <spamfilter0@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
news:0BE4f.149108$qY1.98183@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [POSTED TO alt.cellular.cingular - REPLY ON USENET PLEASE]
>
> In <2M-dna6FjNz0mM7enZ2dnUVZ_sqdnZ2d@xxxxxxxxxxxx> on Sun, 16 Oct 2005
> 19:59:03 -0600, "Scott" <how.do@xxxxxx> wrote:
>
>>
>>>From the TOS:
>>
>>http://onlinestorez.cingular.com/cell-phone-service/common/legal/pop-planterms.jsp?q_planterms=postpaid
>>
>>"For non-GPRS/EDGE/UMTS (GSM Circuit- Switched Data) connections, usage
>>includes all time spent connected. Airtime and other measured usage are
>>billed in full-minute increments and rounded up to the next full minute
>>increment at the end of each call for billing purposes. "
>
> Meaningless.

And yet you do not say why. Another one word response with no detail behind
it. The child has stuck his tongue out again. And as far as it being
meaningless, you are indeed incorrect, unless you want to whip one of expert
legal opinions on us.

It is much more pertinent than what you posted, as downloading ringtones is
an advertised feature on most Cingular phones and requires a data connection
to function, as outlined in the instuctional material that comes with the
phone. The actual language used on a couple of the phones is "Downloadable
supertone/music ring tones." The fact that language outlining the data
charges appears in the service agreements is far from meaningless- implied
consent is given at the time of activation.

So, to recap- the phone is advertised as capable of downloading ringtones as
a main feature (not a hidden feature, but frontpage material). The need for
a data connection to download ringtones is contained in the instructional
material. The structure of data downloading charges is clearly contained in
the service agreement. In order for there not be to be informed consent,
the customer has to ignore a great deal of information. The company has
supplied more than enough information for a consumer to make an informed
decision.

>
>>> Case closed.
>>
>>Yes it is, but not as you expected it to be.
>
> In your dreams.

>
The only dream I want you in is one where you finally admit error. I'm
smart enough to realize that it is the only time it would ever happen, as
your pompous ego won't allow it in real life.


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