Re: How to disable 2002 Sienna daytime running lights?


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On 11/21/2011 7:33 AM, Gary L. Burnore wrote:

Facts are they save lives. It's why there's a law in most states that
motorcycles must have their headlights on at all times. Just an extra
second can save a life.

That's the problem, there is no evidence that they save lives. While they may reduce certain types of crashes, the side effects of poorly designed DRLs cause other crashes. After thousands of complaints about glare, the NHTSA has proposed that the European standard for DRL brightness be adopted.

The worst thing about the implementation of DRLs is something I witness on a frequent basis. Driving down the freeway, not only at night, but often in fog or rain I'll make out the silhouette of a vehicle with no tail lights on. Almost 100% of the time the vehicle will have their DRLs on and the driver is blissfully unaware that they have only their headlights on. The DRLs are bright enough that they mistakenly believe that their lights are on. At least at night they used to have a clue because their dash lights would not be on, yet that isn't even the case any more with many of the LCD instrumentation systems.

It would be trivial for the automakers to include an automated system that turned DRLs on in clear daylight, and turned on headlights and taillights in darkness, fog, or rain, and that allowed DRLs to be temporarily deactivated for the times they are inappropriate.


In 1980, I owned a brand new Yamaha XS1100. When the engine started, the headlights came on. Indeed, the ENTIRE lighting system was activated. Cars should do this.

DRLs are a "false economy" (for lack of a better term at the moment). I fully support the idea that lights in daytime are good, but DRLs miss the mark for precisely the reasons SMS is talking about, they don't do enough and what they do do leads to mistakes by the vehicle operators -- they give the impression that the headlights are on when they are not, such as in fog or rain. I once had a rental car in the early days of DRLs, and I drove the car during "light challenged periods" thinking the headlights were on. I don't recall the specifics, but the point is that there are in fact drivers driving around with the DRLs, and nobody can see them except those immediately in front.

If the nanny state wants to hold hands and save everybody from everybody else, then turn the f---ing lights on all of the way around the car all of the time. If the engine is running, the lights should be on.

The operator gets to choose from the following two options, high beam or low beam. (If there are fog or driving lights,then the operator gets to choose between off and on for these, but the main lighting should all be on if the engine is running.) Period.


Ideally, yes, ALL lights should be on. However, in this less than ideal world, front DRL's are better than nothing.


That's like saying that getting half way across the street is better than standing on the sidewalk all afternoon because the light cycle doesn't last long enough to make it. They know how to make a light last long enough to get all of the way there. They know how to make the lights do the full job.

They created DRL at least 15 years AFTER I had a motorcycle that turned on all of the lights after the engine started. Why make a lighting system that does less than half the job when you already know how to make one that does all of the job?


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  • Re: How to disable 2002 Sienna daytime running lights?
    ... While they may reduce certain types of crashes, the side effects of poorly designed DRLs cause other crashes. ... Driving down the freeway, not only at night, but often in fog or rain I'll make out the silhouette of a vehicle with no tail lights on. ... Almost 100% of the time the vehicle will have their DRLs on and the driver is blissfully unaware that they have only their headlights on. ... I once had a rental car in the early days of DRLs, and I drove the car during "light challenged periods" thinking the headlights were on. ...
    (alt.autos.toyota)
  • Re: How to disable 2002 Sienna daytime running lights?
    ... motorcycles must have their headlights on at all times. ... Almost 100% of the time the vehicle will have their DRLs ... that their lights are on. ... I can not make my stuff here because government regulations make the ...
    (alt.autos.toyota)
  • Re: How to disable 2002 Sienna daytime running lights?
    ... motorcycles must have their headlights on at all times. ... designed DRLs cause other crashes. ... Almost 100% of the time the vehicle will have their DRLs ... that their lights are on. ...
    (alt.autos.toyota)
  • Re: How to disable 2002 Sienna daytime running lights?
    ... motorcycles must have their headlights on at all times. ... designed DRLs cause other crashes. ... Almost 100% of the time the vehicle will have their DRLs ... that their lights are on. ...
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