Re: {OT:} LFG: Think Green

"Hachiroku ????" <Trueno@xxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Interesting show on the History Channel, Modern Marvels. They're talking
about LFG: Land Fill Gas. Land fills throw off Methane, a worse Greenhouse
gas than CO2. By tapping the landfill, they are able to collect the
Methane, keeping it from escaping into the atmosphere, and, in the example
cited, send it to a soybean proceesing plant that has reduced it's
dependance on LNG to near zero. The plant does turn the methane to CO2,
but in lesser amounts than LNG, and prevents the methane from venting into
the atmosphere.

so there.

So, you can make, or at least save, money while reducing GHGs? That's
heresy!

Oh, wait, no... it's not. Some of us have been telling you this for a
while. The president of NanoSolar was on Science Friday the other day and
his goal is to MAKE MONEY for his investors and he's planning to do it with
green technology. Did you know that we export 70% of the solar cells we
make here in the US? So, green tech helps our balance of trade. While its
employing people. And reducing GHGs. And starving terrorist and repressive
governments of oil revenue.

By the by, while CO2 does not have the same potential to trap heat that
methane does, my understanding of physical chemistry is that methane will
spontaneously, slowly, oxidize (in fact, I think pretty much everything
does). CO2 is much more inert and will stick around for a lot longer. A
friend (a chemical engineer who worked on CFC-replacement products - on
which we are MAKING MONEY) said CO2 lasts 150 years in the atmosphere. I'm
sure various warming models try to take these things into account.

My chemical friend is not on the IPCC panel, he's works in manufacturing.
However, he does keep up on the literature, he studies the IPCC reports and
other sources closely (it's part of his job to understand this stuff) and
his estimation of the situation is, "If we don't move fast on CO2, we're
probably fucked."

Now, this guy is not making money off global warming, he's just maknig
products. He's not part of some giant conspiracy for grant money by raising
some alarmist ballyhoo (which conspiracy exists only in the heads of
Rightards), he gets paid and promoted based on making products that people
will buy. And he understands fully understands this ***.

And he's very worried. So are my physicist friends (they're money-grubbing
manufacturing people, too). They think it's perfectly reasonable to have
doubts but, given the risks involved if the science is right (and they trust
their fellow scientists more than they trust Rightards to get the science
right) and what's involved in abating those risks (like encouraging
carpools, bus ridership, green energy production technologies, targeted
reforestation programs), they think our current policy of doing almost
nothing at all is, as one said, "fucking stupid." They also believe there's
money to be made in reducing GHGs, and failing to get ahead of this is like
giving Japan and China exclusive rights to the Fast Lane on the Big Money
Highway.



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