Re: {OT} why we cannot leave iraq

"badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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DH, 9/13/2006, 9:39:21 PM,
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"badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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We can't leave because it's now worse off than when we invaded it.

And prospects for improvement are dim. Google "devlin marine
intelligence anbar province"

Here's one of the hits:

http://www.boston.com/news/world/middleeast/articles/2006/09/11/office
r_in_iraq_calls_anbar_situation_dire/

If I were Bush, I'd re-read that 18-page letter Ahmedinejad sent him
and think about whatever's in it in a new light. Iraq is some 60%
Shi'ite Muslim. Iran is some 97% Shi'ite Muslim. If Bush could
swing a deal that wasn't terminally painful to get Iran's politicians
and clergy to discourage sectarian violence against the Sunnis, he'd
be wise to do it.

Your ideals are admirable but you cannot negotiate with people who have
shown over and over again they do not respect any deals they have made
in the past.

I'm unaware of any deals that they've abrogated. They may have chosen not
to honor deals made by the Shah.

To do as you suggest will merely open more doors for the
radicalists to spread their influence. Iran's political advisors are
so savvy that any deal made with them will end up working to their
advantage.

Our political advisors aren't as smart? Well, I imagine Karl Rove doesn't
know Iran like he knows Alabama. And that's part of the problem, the whole
Bush team thinks they can make over the Arab and Muslim world but they don't
know the first thing about it.

Besides, how can you expect rational negotiations with a
leader who publicly announces the Holocaust as a myth? Even if he
privately believed that by expressing it publicly he has lost all
credibility.

If he privately believed it, wouldn't it by hypocritical to pretend
otherwise? I think it's mostly Muslim posturing. Bush should find a way to
steal his thunder. There are a couple of problems, though, with this...
First, most modern Germans know NOTHING about this. It doesn't get taught
in school. Second, there is a noisy minority here and in Europe that are
also Holocaust deniers. They get tolerated to some degree. It should be a
matter of public policy to enforce "truth" in history. Truth is good. We
don't have any way of dealing with that, partly because the Administration
has zero respect for academics. Finally, they've got the oil and we want
it. Their power is directly related to our inability to curb our appetite
for oil.

And that doesn't even take into consideration all the
other outrageous claims Mr. Ahmadinejad has made in his short tenure as
President. I'm sorry, but I cannot trust the mullahs and their agenda;
they have brought nothing but misery and death to millions of people
since they have come into power.

Which millions are those? We KNOW about the 130,000 Iraqi civilians who've
died for whom we are directly responsible. Iran hasn't gone to war with
anybody that I'm aware of.

"A zebra does not change its spots." ~ Al Gore



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