Re: The Dam Ozone hole


"Hachiroku" <Trueno@xxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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On Thu, 31 Aug 2006 11:23:30 -0700, doc wrote:

On Thu, 31 Aug 2006 15:32:42 GMT, Hachiroku <Trueno@xxxxxxxx> wrote:

On Wed, 30 Aug 2006 22:08:28 -0500, dh wrote:

"Hachiroku" <Trueno@xxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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On Wed, 30 Aug 2006 09:58:56 -0400, Stuart Krivis wrote:

On Tue, 29 Aug 2006 15:29:23 -0700, doc@xxxxxx wrote:

The Dam "hole" has been there for centuries. It is only recent that
we can detect it! We need to watch our waste but to think we are
making sword wide climate change is a bit egotistical.

We can't make wide climate changes? Like all the desert in the
Middle
East that used to be forested, fertile land?

Or how about the Dustbowl of the 1930's?

Even the oil wells that Saddam set on fire affected the entire
world.

It's egotistical to assume that God gave us the Earth and all
creatures to do with what we will.

It is not egotistical to observe that our actions are having an
effect
on the whole planet.

Everything you site happened LONG before the superindustrialization of
the
ceveloped nations...

So, why wouldn't you expect that the multiplier effect of
superindustrialization wouldn't make a bigger difference?

Well, of course. Acid Rain?


The Cedars of Lebanon have never returned. It has been thousands of
years.
They were wiped out before any industrialization at all.

Exactly. Some things just reach an end.
The Earth changes and evolves.
I can show you sea bottoms in the Adirondacks in upper New York State.

I can show you deserts on sea bottoms.

Things change all by themselves. The Earth is in a constant state of
flux.
What is ocean today may be mountains tomorrow, and vice versa.

Land is being added to the islands in Hawaii even as we speak.
They were ALL the size of the main island at one point in time, but sink
as thay move northwest, away from the ocean hot-spot that created them.

The Earth is a far bigger equation than even the impact of man. Long
after
man is gone, the Earth will still be changing and evolving. We are but a
Bat of the Eye in the grand scheme of things.




Where are the buffalo? They were wiped out before
superindustrialization.

There are 6 billion of us. I don't think there's any other species on
the
planet massing an average of 50kg or more that numbers even in the tens
of
millions. And we don't just eat, crap mate and breathe; we harness
other
forces to change our environment. We use two tons of metal to go from
place
to place. We use ten tons of materials for shelter. Clothing, shoes,
telephone, exotic foods, travel, it all adds up to a huge impact on the
environment that no other species can even begin to rival.

You really think we don't change the planet? You really think the
Earth is
capable of fixing all we can do? And you do understand the stakes
we're
playing for, right? Survival of the species.

Dinosaurs also had a huge impact on the earth, for much of the same
reasons you cite above. The Earth overcame them, also.


Better shut down all those dirty volcanoes. My goodness, the
pollution!!


HAHAHA! Yeah...always overlook the things we DON'T have ANY control over!

That's a smoke screen ( ha - pun!) The argument isn't about natural
changes; it's about man-made changes - those which have a detrimental
impact, & which we do have control over, considering they're of our own
making.

Cathy



The Kyoto agreement is the biggest polluter in the world. The garbage
coming out of China has already surpassed the US, since they are a third
world developing country. They don't HAVE to meet emissions standards.

And they use more oil than the US, so that must tell us all something.


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