Re: The Dam Ozone hole

"Hachiroku" <Trueno@xxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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On Wed, 30 Aug 2006 22:08:28 -0500, dh wrote:

"Hachiroku" <Trueno@xxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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On Wed, 30 Aug 2006 09:58:56 -0400, Stuart Krivis wrote:

On Tue, 29 Aug 2006 15:29:23 -0700, doc@xxxxxx wrote:

The Dam "hole" has been there for centuries. It is only recent that
we can detect it! We need to watch our waste but to think we are
making sword wide climate change is a bit egotistical.

We can't make wide climate changes? Like all the desert in the Middle
East that used to be forested, fertile land?

Or how about the Dustbowl of the 1930's?

Even the oil wells that Saddam set on fire affected the entire world.

It's egotistical to assume that God gave us the Earth and all
creatures to do with what we will.

It is not egotistical to observe that our actions are having an effect
on the whole planet.

Everything you site happened LONG before the superindustrialization of
the
ceveloped nations...

So, why wouldn't you expect that the multiplier effect of
superindustrialization wouldn't make a bigger difference?

Well, of course. Acid Rain?


The Cedars of Lebanon have never returned. It has been thousands of
years.
They were wiped out before any industrialization at all.

Exactly. Some things just reach an end.
The Earth changes and evolves.
I can show you sea bottoms in the Adirondacks in upper New York State.

I can show you deserts on sea bottoms.

Things change all by themselves. The Earth is in a constant state of flux.
What is ocean today may be mountains tomorrow, and vice versa.

Land is being added to the islands in Hawaii even as we speak.
They were ALL the size of the main island at one point in time, but sink
as thay move northwest, away from the ocean hot-spot that created them.

The Earth is a far bigger equation than even the impact of man. Long after
man is gone, the Earth will still be changing and evolving. We are but a
Bat of the Eye in the grand scheme of things.


I'd like to think we're destined to last forever. But we won't if we don't
allow for the limits of the planet, at least until after we perfect
realistic space travel.

You are probably right, the Earth will probably take whatever we dish out
and adjust to it somehow. However, conditions here in North America, for
instance, are pretty good for growing things and making us prosperous and
happy. What is the likelihood that a change will also be an improvement?
There's really nowhere to go but down.


Where are the buffalo? They were wiped out before
superindustrialization.

There are 6 billion of us. I don't think there's any other species on
the
planet massing an average of 50kg or more that numbers even in the tens
of
millions. And we don't just eat, crap mate and breathe; we harness other
forces to change our environment. We use two tons of metal to go from
place
to place. We use ten tons of materials for shelter. Clothing, shoes,
telephone, exotic foods, travel, it all adds up to a huge impact on the
environment that no other species can even begin to rival.

You really think we don't change the planet? You really think the Earth
is
capable of fixing all we can do? And you do understand the stakes we're
playing for, right? Survival of the species.

Dinosaurs also had a huge impact on the earth, for much of the same
reasons you cite above. The Earth overcame them, also.




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