Re: OT. Crying about Gas $$$

On Wed, 26 Apr 2006 16:12:17 -0700, jgrove24 wrote:


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On Tue, 25 Apr 2006 17:41:26 -0700, jgrove24 wrote:


Hachiroku wrote:
Lack of investment: when was th last time a refinery was built in the
US?
I'm sure when the existing refineries were built, they were
state-of-the-art
facilities with all the latest technology built in, but that
technology
is
now 25-30 years old and there is probably more efficient designs
available.
Of course, the NIMBY attitude plays into this.

Why would they build a new site when the existing sites are expandable.
Are
you claiming that no upgrades or expansions were completed in 30 years
??

JG


One of the biggest components of the gas shortage is the lack of refining
capacity.

Because of the limitations in the refinement procedure, a refinery can at
best run at about 92% capacity. So, 92% is, effectively, 100%

From when I was an Engineering Student in the late '90's, 96 or 97, I
believe. There have not been any new refineries built in that time, so
that's the reality.

They also mention it occasionally on the News, from McNeil-Leherer to CBS.
Even CNN has reported this statistic.

Here's one, more examples are available via library database searches.

The America's Intelligence Wire, March 7, 2006
Chevron Corp. said Tuesday that its oil and natural gas production
would rise by more than 500,000 barrels per day by 2010 and announced
plans to expand a Mississippi refinery that was badly damaged by
Hurricane Katrina.
Chevron, the second-largest U.S. petroleum producer, told Wall Street
analysts concerned about the company's growth that new projects coming
on line over the next five years would boost daily output to just over
3 million barrels per day of oil equivalent by 2010.
...
A Chevron spokesman said the expansion of the Pascagoula refinery would
make it the second largest in the U.S. behind Exxon Mobil Corp.'s
557,000-barrel-per day plant in Baytown, Texas.
In January Chevron reported a profit of $14.1 billion for 2005, the
company's best
annual performance in its 126-year history.
....
International Petroleum Finance, Feb 2006
Valero currently has a number of expansion projects ongoing at its
existing plants and is looking at more in the future. At its Port
Arthur, Texas, plant, a 75,000 b/d expansion is expected to be
completed in July. Originally, the expansion, which began under
Premcor, had been scheduled to be completed in June, but a month or so
was lost on Gulf Coast projects because of last year's hurricanes. In
Aruba, Valero's refinery is being expanded by 35,000 b/d to 275,000
b/d, while a 50,000 b/d expansion will be completed at its Quebec
refinery in 2007. Klesse said Valero is looking at possibly expanding
existing plants by 400,000 b/d in the next four years. "We're looking
at the costs and the economics to see what we should do," he said.

When asked about what the government should do to encourage more
refining capacity, Klesse said that the idea of building new refineries
should be scrapped. "The grassroots refinery idea is

******* not feasible," *******************************************

he said, arguing that it would be more economically sensible to expand
existing plants, since the infrastructure was already in place. Klesse,
who has met with members of Congress as a representative of the
National Petrochemical & Refiners Association (NPRA), pointed to tax
incentives as a good means to promote expanding refining capacity.

Hmmm, NOT FEASIBLE..JG

So, it took them an ENTIRE YEAR to realize they needed to increase
capacity?!?!?!

I've seen turtles run faster.

--
In the grand scheme fo things...
What difference does it make?

.

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