Re: Toyota, GM, and Ford differences

"Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
news:baGcnVCYiJNl9VneUSdV9g@xxxxxxxxxx
> When I said more people buy GM, Ford and Chrysler products that was not my
> opinion but a verifiable fact. When I said Toyotas were overpriced and
> under power and no better than any other manufactures vehicles yes that
was
> MY opinion. You may disagree but that opinion is based on my experience
and
> the vehicle that I have owned.. I bought lots of Toyota and other imports
> in my time, hell I must have own 60 or more in my near 80 years in Gods
> green earth. Since I switched from Lexus in 1999 to the cars I buy now I
> have saved a lot of my hard earned money. The vehicles I buy now have
all
> proven to be just as reliable any Toyota or Lexus and a lot less expensive
> and more powerful than the comparable Toyotas I drove and priced. I have
> not had a vehicle, foreign or domestic, that was problematic in 25 years
or
> more. For people it profess in this NG that Toyotas are far superior,
> dollar for dollar, than the competition is simply not supported by the
> facts, period
>
> mike hunt
>

An opinion should be based on facts. However, the observable facts are at
odds with your own personal experience and you should learn to consider your
experience carefully in light of other information.

1. Resale Value - check KBB or any other source you like. Toyotas retain
more of their value. This is the consumers' best vote for the long-term
desirability of any car. Toyota's winning.
2. Quality - although build quality is evening out, Consumer Reports is
still consistently ranking older Toyotas above most domestic cars.
Long-term quality isn't a funciton of build quality alone - you cuold call
it durability, if you like. Yeah, yeah, I know, Consumer Reports is a
Communist plot against American cars. Are GM and Ford using durable
components? They don't appear to be.
3. Consumers can easily verify your "underpowered" and
"overpriced"assertions, if true. They don't. People drive Toyotas, look at
the price and then buy them.
4. Toyota's making money. They wouldn't do that with a crap product.

This is a .Toyota group. A certain amount of pro-Toyota enthusiasm is to be
expected. Your thinly supported personal anti-Toyota opinions are nothing
short of obnoxious here. If you'd like to rant about Totyotas, go do it in
the .GM or .Ford NGs. They'll appreciate it.

>
> "DH" <dh@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:43c2cc86$0$3037$6d36acad@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > "Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> > news:vJ-dnZ7-CY-INF_eUSdV9g@xxxxxxxxxx
> >> Is that the reason you believe Toyota is in fourth place behind GM,
Ford
> > and
> >> Chrysler in the US? Based on the many Toyotas I have owned I believe
> >> Toyota makes great vehicles, but I have found that they are generally
> >> over
> >> priced, under powered and no better than any other brand.
> >
> > Awww, you forgot to say "in my opinion." And your opinion is...
> > interesting. These are things that a prospective buyer will notice
right
> > at
> > the test drive. Things they can not help but notice at the test drive.
> >
> > "Gosh, this car hardly moves." In fact, I said that myself when I
> > test-drove a Chevette in 1979 or so.
> > "Gosh, this car is $x,000 more than that car."
> >
> > Never mind the esoterics of projected life-cycle cost, reliability,
resale
> > value or whatnot. If what you say is true, these are qualities that
every
> > buyer should be well-equipped to notice and judge at the time of
> > test-drive
> > and purchase.
> >
> > So, why, if what you say is true, would anybody buy a Toyota? Why, if
> > what
> > you say is true, is Toyota making money?
> >
> > Here's an alternative explanation that fits the facts:
> > Maybe Toyotas are actually reasonably priced and reasonably powered and
> > your
> > opinion is just WRONG.
> >
> > Just an idea. You might give it some thought.
>
>


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