Re: Welcome home, Discovery

On Wed, 10 Aug 2005 11:47:38 -0400, Josh wrote:

> HachiRoku wrote:
>> On Wed, 10 Aug 2005 11:17:08 +0100, Sleeker GT Phwoar wrote:
>>
>>> In article <1h-cnUR2fsDI12TfUSdV9g@xxxxxxx>,
>>> nobody@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx says...
>>>> Either your so pathetically fucking blind Jeff that you don't know
>>>> the facts about environmental damage and the effects on your health
>>>> or you're just too stupid to care, I'm not too sure which it is.
>>>>
>>> You live in America. America won't signup to Keyoto, what do you
>>> think protecting the lives of human beings on the shuttle missions
>>> costs to the environment compared to what "Gods devine right to
>>> drive a truck the size of an ice berg with all the 'at speed'
>>> handling of the same" Americans pump out every day.
>>>
>>> And as it happens, global warming is the biggest pile of steaming
>>> crap that greens have invented.
>>> The earth cools and freezes, the earth warms and becomes tropical.
>>> It is cyclical. Man's help or not, we are heading toward an ice age.
>>> Even if we all knitted our own bicycles from yoghurt, and bought Tofu
>>> Sandles and dressed in hemp instead of smoking it, it wouldn't make a
>>> gnats *** of difference.
>>> Oil is dead dinosaurs, oil will run out, just like the dinosaurs did.
>>> Forget alternative power to save the environment, how about
>>> alternative power to save cars.
>>>
>>> If you are going to kill a cow, do it properly and use the whole
>>> beast. Food for people from the meat, food for carnivorous animals
>>> from the scraps, shoes, clothes and upholstery from hide, and
>>> fertiliser from the bones. Waste nothing. Same goes for Sheep, pigs
>>> and goats. Stop pumping food full of pesticides and chemicals and
>>> stop poisening the air and water. Not for the "Sake of the planet",
>>> but for the fucking inhabitants.
>>
>>
>> <stab=nds up and applauds!>
>>
>> Most excellent! Sorry, Josh, but SkodaPilot or Sleeker here has hit
>> the nail on the head. We are headed for an ice age. Right about now.
>> The last one was 10,000 years ago ,the occur every 10,000 years or so.
>
> There's no proof of an upcoming ice age, you're talking about a theory only.

Sorry, Josh, but there is much Geological proof, both of the last ice age
and the one prior to that. In the sands of time, they are 10,000 years
apart. The THEORY is to WHY. Some think it has to do with the issue of
plate tectonics, I myself subscribe to the theory that since the Earth is
in a 'wobbly' orbit around the sun, every 10,000 years it moves further
out and cools. then, every 10,000 years it moves in closer and warms. We
are really at the end of a warming period. Think of this: The Northern
Hemisphere warms in the summer time, which is June to September. The NH is
closest to the sun on June 21, the summer..er...solstice? One would think
that this would be the HOTTEST day of the year, when in fact, July and
August are really hotter. Do you know why this is? It's like boiling
water; when you bring water to a boil and remove the heat, for a breif
period the water actually gets HOTTER. Same with the Earth; getting closer
to the sun heats the surface up, but the heat isn't released until later.
The same thing happens during warming periods; the heat is trapped and
being released. So, the surface of the planet warms. Now, I don't know
where we are in the cycle of moving further from the sun, but my
well-educated guess is that we are currently moving ever so slightly away
from the sun, but the heating effect is still, well, in effect. Then, just
like at the end of September, all the heat will have been released and the
entire planet will start cooling.

This time, my friend, you hit me on a subject I KNOW quite well! The only
reason I didn't become a Geologist was because of the Math courses
involved; I SUCK at math. But I did take ALL the Geology courses I could
that didn't have an advanced Math prerequisite.

So there!

>
>> Of course, it won't happen overnight, nor even in our or our
>> children's lifetimes.
>>
>> What I don't understand is, these scientists are smart. I just took
>> Geology. And advanced Geology. And still MORE Geology. They KNOW that
>> there is a brief warming period prior to an Ice Age! Only very few
>> have said so, and they get buried in the back pages of the Podunk
>> Picyune, because what they are saying is not popular and doesn't fit
>> anyone's agenda! Plain and simple.
>
> Again it is only a theory which is why its not a huge issue.
>
>> Now, this is not entirely to undermine the fact that greenhouse
>> gasses DO have an effect. You can see it every so often if you're one
>> of those who doesn't wash your car regularly, and it begins to fade
>> due to the Acid Rain. But some of these kooks are predicting the
>> Total Destruction of the Human Race. Well, except for Thermonuclear
>> War, it ain't happening. We'll do what our ancestors did 10,000 years
>> ago...pick up and move to a more suitable clime...
>
> Its the polution of the entire world, where are you going to move, mars? The
> earths environment is a finely balanced machine, polluting it is like
> throwing a large wrench in the system, it will affect EVERYTHING. Your
> health your kids health, you live OFF the environment everything from your
> food to water to the air you breath is all affected. Once a few species are
> affected the result of this is a multiplier, a domino affect which is why it
> is so powerful and has such a chance of total destruction. So you can say
> that is a kook theory but I hate to tell you its a fact of nature. In your
> mind you probably think it will take a much larger amount of pollution to
> destroy the earth, but it will not. Again, the FACT is it will not, once the
> life system and the 'circle' becomes too broken to fix itself it ALL goes
> down hill.
>
>> My winter heating oil use has INCREASED in the last couple of years,
>> and I have been moving the thermostat LOWER to compensate. I don't
>> think that means it's getting warmer...
>
> You cant use fluctuations over the current time to determine long term
> change. It is a SCIENTIFIC FACT, not a theory that Global warming is a
> problem. This is just an EFFECT of the Pollution, and if the Effect of the
> Pollution is so strong then the Pollution itself is out of control. If the
> earth was about 10 times larger than it is this would not be a big issue,
> yet. The problem is too many people just have no clue just how small this
> planet is when it comes to sustaining the amount of life it has to at this
> time.

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