Re: Water as fuel for cars by 2010


"Bob" <rbalbirnienospam@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message news:yO1gk.270$%b7.93@xxxxxxxxxxx
virig wrote:
Vehicles of 2010 will depend less on fossil fuels and may move only
with hydrogen, which transformed into water in the so-called "fuel
cell" automobile produce the energy needed to move…
http://cooldreamcars.googlepages.com/water_fuel_cars_2010

This process to move to "Hydrogen fuel cells" is a sham, fuel cells do not "produce" energy they convert it. Where will all this hydrogen come from? There is not enough "renewables" on the electric grid to produce even the electricity we are utilizing today so if we have a large increase in demand it will surely come from fossil fuels.

Don't be sucked in by all the hype! Think through the process from end to end.

--- Rant off --- Back to regular lurking mode....



I do not know the molecular science involved in stripping out the hydrogen from pretty much anything, but Fuel Cells are coming. Honda already has a fuel cell car.

Hydrogen is the most abundant element in the known universe, so our ability to use it all up is very slim. We once said that about petroleum, but I digress. Hydrogen is found in natural gas, and more than half of American households have natural gas being fed directly into the home, so there is a significant distribution system in place already. This is a plus. Hydrogen is also 66% of water, and everybody has water at home. Again, the distribtion network is largely in place -- assuming a device is needed to separate the hydrogen and oxygen before putting it into the car. If water can be put into a car, and the hydrogen can be separated "on the fly" onboard the car, then the distribution network is done.

As a practical matter, I predict fuel cell technology being employed in a residential setting. It is clean and renewable. It is also well suited for a static load. The standard maximum load for a residence is about 15kW when everything is on. It would be a relatively simple matter to design a fuel cell with that capacity, and when the load is below that, the excess energy could be pumped out to the grid where it is then distributed to business and industry where they have a hard time to generate sufficient electricity for their operations.

Homeowners get energy credits for the energy the pump out, and then draw the credits down when they place demands that exceed the capacity of the system they have -- which should be a very rare event.






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