Re: How To Build A HHO Generator

In article <T6Eok.18149$mh5.5071@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, RF <RF@xxxxxxx> wrote:
Dori A Schmetterling wrote:
Aw, c'mon...

I have converted base metals into gold and built a perpetual motion
machine...

DAS

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The amount of energy that goes into making stainless steel has
absolutely nothing to do with this. But simple high school chemistry
does. It takes energy to break the two hydrogen atoms away from the
oxygen atom in water. This energy is supplied by the electric
current via the alternator. And when you later recombine the
hydrogen with the oxygen by burning it, you get back EXACTLY the same
amount of energy that it took to seperate it. This is a classic
experiment performed in high school chemistry. In addition, there
are losses to due the combustion process not being perfect, heat loss,
friction, etc, so the net result is it takes MORE energy to seperate
the hydrogen/oxygen than you get back from it.

In other words, this is nonsense, not far removed from the urban
legend of the miracle 100 MPG carburator or magic pills that turn
water into gasoline. There is a small amount of truth to adding
some hydrogen to an internal combustion engine. Some experimental
engines have been modified to use small amounts of hydrogen which then
allow a slightly leaner fuel mixture to still burn. Besides just
getting some hydrogen in there, I believe they also modified other
parts of the engine, ie the fuel air mixture via computer controls,
etc. After all that, they got a few percent improvement in actual
mileage

Scammers have taken that faint bit of truth and are using it to
seperate people from their money with silly claims of doubling
mileage, etc by electrolysis of water.

[...]

Do you know all the details of the combustion
process? and no it's not
just a simple equation like: CH4 + 2 02 --> CO2
+ 2 H20 + heat energy.

If the tiny amount of H2 could react with another
chemical in the combustion chamber to produce an
additional exothermic chemical reaction, then it
is possible that this process could make a
contribution to the usual combustion. Can you
prove that it's not possible?

sure, easy, entropy increases always. That is, whenever you convert
energy from one form or another you lose. Thermodynamics. So, sure, you
might give the gas combustion a 'kick' by injection some hydrogen. Overall
though, considering the energy required to produce the hydrogen etc, you will
most assuredly not gain a thing but in fact lose energy - ie increase the
entropy of the system.

cheers

ps sorry Dori for interjecting

.

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